But don't the feds make them admit that they are members of the Mob when they plaed guilty? I know in todays Rat filled world that doesn't matter but it used to be a big thing in the old days!

I don't think the Genovese give a shit to be completely honest. As long as nobody is ratting and they don't make national news if they go to trial, and just get back to making money.

It hasn't been like that for years. And the Westside was the first family to see it. They were way ahead of the curve there. As usual. Everyone from Patsy to Little Joe Dente to Chin to Barney have had to admit to being part of a larger criminal organization in order to secure plea deals.

As far as Pagano pleading not guilty, it's the standard plea at an arraignment. He can always change it later. And I'm sure he will.

Yeah the Genovese saw the writing on the wall long before anyone. Pleading out for shorter sentences was much smarter than taking it to trial every time, especially when it was clear you would lose, unless you knew you could buy a jury.

Gotti really fucked over his brother, Frankie Loc and several others who would have been out of jail years ago if it was not for Gotti's bravado bullshit.

One thing you gotta give the guy is that he went down swinging himself as well. Abided by his own rules he set in place.

Ok got it. Thanks. I know your favorite lawyer is representing him PB. Don't worry Murray lol. He must be worth it if Pagano is going with him though right?

Absolutely. It didn't do him any good, but you certainly can't call him a hypocrite.

He's a great lawyer. I just happen to know a little more about him than meets the eye, and I don't like him.

You really have to watch out for him when a Judge or Prosecutor wants a "global" plea in a large case. He's been known to fuck over his own clients in those situations. That's all I'm going to say.

Wow.

He's pleading innocent because he's not guilty.

Jeez.

Whats wrong with you people?



Edit: *yoose people

Lmao!

This aint the movies pal

You'd never know it from these boards .

But on a serious note, Beanshooter's not like that. He gets a pass .

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Yoose know I was only f*#king around.


(Ill stop now)

That's the way it used to be. Maybe they should reinstate that rule to cut back on the rats!

It's one of the things allowing them to survive, Beanshooter. Without the allocution, the Feds won't give them the plea. Period. And then what? Go to trial and end up like John Gotti?

If not for the art of the plea bargain, and the new "rules," guys like Stevie and Barney would both be doing thirty right now. But instead of that, they're both free to be idolized by pinhead kids on boards like this .

All kidding aside, it's a whole new ballgame .

It is a whole new game PB! And it used to be real!

Haha john gotti wouldve let his own wife and kids get life in prison before he would allocate. Beanshooter, you seem to be forgeting about the commission trial when all the bosses admitted that the mafia existed in open court, it was apart of their defense strategy, funny thing is surely if any lower level guys had tried to pull a stunt like that back then, those same bosses probably wouldve labeled them a rat.

They had no choice after Bonanno's book.

think the first well known boss to plead guilty was ray jr who if went to trial with his guys would have got 20+ yrs new laws hard time but was smart plead guilty took 7 yrs and sleeps well today very rich. the government was so pissed they tried to get him resentenced or soe shit saying the judge screwed up and didn't give him anuff time he also said he was part of a organization big word but not the word mafia some Gambino guys took more time cause they wouldn't say Gambino family at the plea deal hearing forgot who maybe skinny dom or the boss today and there was some genovee guy who wouldn't admit being in the mobforgot name he got more time too. the feds just like to watch them guys cringe.

What does Patriarca do nowadays?

He's a pinsetter in the last non automated bowling alley in the United States.

No benefits. But he has weekends off, so he has that going for him.

Real estate

No benefits?? Late capitalism is a bitch..

In all seriousness he was very lucky to only do 7 or 8 years. Good for him, I guess

People have misconception s about the mafia...The myth of the mafia is bigger than the mafia itself, the old timers copped pleas all the time...nobody in there right mind wants to stay in jail...later in meyer lansky's life he also pleaded guilty, and when his lawyer asked him why, he said something like...pay the fine and less get out of here, I don't want them snooping around

That's different. We weren't talking about just pleading out. We were talking about allocuting to being a part of a Mafia family. And that was unheard of years ago.

But it's a different time. The Feds and prosecutors won't let most of those deals go forward today without that admission. So you really can't blame them. It's one of the things allowing them to survive today.

Everyone knows the mafia exists, anyway. So who cares?

No one. The mystique has been gone for quite some time now. So they may as well take advantage of whatever breaks the Feds are willing to give them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWcRqPesws


(Big hitter the 'Lama.

Long.)

Right... Even Johnny Sac did it!

You must have total consciousness, Sonny. Because you're the only one who got that .