Now I can buy what you just said in regards to legitimate businesses. I'm not from Vegas, was watching the movie Bugsy when I signed up for the forum. I do hail from Northeast Ohio and I knew a few guys...I'll leave it at that. My contention is that Cleveland doesn't have a traditional hierarchy like the old days, but more of a few elder statesmen like RJ and Loose who still have associates. RJ is in his mid 70's though, gotta be winding down. I know for a fact that Carabbia is not involved in illegal activity and spends most of his time in Sarasota around his son and is an officer of Sky King Fireworks...ironic! I appreciate your candid demeanor as well. Enjoy the feast, I'm craving a pie from Mama Santa's!