Well, Governor Rick Perry was indicted by an Austin Grand Jury for abuse of power. While it's not unusual for a federal grand jury to indict a state elected official, state juries typically don't do so.
In any case, that and the following trial will certainly doom his presidential bid.
Like he had a prayer anyway .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
#796245 08/16/1405:21 AM08/16/1405:21 AM
Well, Governor Rick Perry was indicted by an Austin Grand Jury for abuse of power. While it's not unusual for a federal grand jury to indict a state elected official, state juries typically don't do so.
In any case, that and the following trial will certainly doom his presidential bid.
Like he had a prayer anyway .
Other prosecutors, and even a lot of liberals and liberal media outlets, are calling his indictment absurd and malicious prosecution. It's all the result of Perry refusing to fund the prosecutor's office of Travis County DA Rosemary Lehmberg, who had been arrested for DUI and showed the behavior you see below in the video. He felt she had lost all credibility and needed to resign and was completely within his rights to not fund her office.
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Well, Governor Rick Perry was indicted by an Austin Grand Jury for abuse of power. While it's not unusual for a federal grand jury to indict a state elected official, state juries typically don't do so.
In any case, that and the following trial will certainly doom his presidential bid.
Like he had a prayer anyway .
Other prosecutors, and even a lot of liberals and liberal media outlets, are calling his indictment absurd and malicious prosecution. It's all the result of Perry refusing to fund the prosecutor's office of Travis County DA Rosemary Lehmberg, who had been arrested for DUI and showed the behavior you see below in the video. He felt she had lost all credibility and needed to resign and was completely within his rights to not fund her office.
I agree that the indictment seems over the top. I was just speaking to the fact that this guy couldn't possibly compete politically on a National level.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
In lieu of the the Texas Constitution specifying the basis for an impeachment bill issued regarding the Governor, it permits the Legislature to do so through the passage of statutes. One such statute from the 1970s defines abuse of office. It is that statute and another one (also from the 70s) relating to coercion of a public servant that is the basis for the grand jury's indictment.
What is generally not known by the public is that the Travis County Public Integrity Unit the funding for which was vetoed by Governor Perry was investigating the financial integrity of the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas, which is accused of improperly distributing grant money including some grant money that was given to people with close ties to Governor Perry. Texas Governor's have line item veto authority. However, the grand jury's indictment addresses the reason for the veto. If the Travis County DA had resigned, guess who gets to replace her?
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
#796833 08/19/1411:11 AM08/19/1411:11 AM
In lieu of the the Texas Constitution specifying the basis for an impeachment bill issued regarding the Governor, it permits the Legislature to do so through the passage of statutes. One such statute from the 1970s defines abuse of office. It is that statute and another one (also from the 70s) relating to coercion of a public servant that is the basis for the grand jury's indictment.
What is generally not known by the public is that the Travis County Public Integrity Unit the funding for which was vetoed by Governor Perry was investigating the financial integrity of the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas, which is accused of improperly distributing grant money including some grant money that was given to people with close ties to Governor Perry. Texas Governor's have line item veto authority. However, the grand jury's indictment addresses the reason for the veto. If the Travis County DA had resigned, guess who gets to replace her?
Speak English, Oli .
Bottom line: Do you agree that the indictment is over the top or not?
I think it's over the top, and God knows I think this guy Perry is a total buffoon.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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[Re: olivant]
#796836 08/19/1411:23 AM08/19/1411:23 AM
All politics aside, this woman was totally hammered. She tried to bully the guards and tried to reach out to the Sherriff to help her. She had 3 times the legal amount of alchohol in her system. What if your wife, son or daughter were on the road that night? This woman should have retired and sought some serious help! Instead she stays on because a Republican would have taken her spot? And other Democrats support her! Are you kidding me? This is insane. Perry had every right to do what he did. She's a drunk and a disgrace to her office!
Bottom line: Do you agree that the indictment is over the top or not?
I think it's over the top, and God knows I think this guy Perry is a total buffoon.
No PB, I don't. It is important that elected officials not use their constitutional or statutory authority to achieve a political end. It is also important for elected officials to be challenged when they do. As I explained above, Governor Perry has a personal and political interest in the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas and its use of its funding.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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[Re: olivant]
#797048 08/20/1411:32 AM08/20/1411:32 AM
No PB, I don't. It is important that elected officials not use their constitutional or statutory authority to achieve a political end. It is also important for elected officials to be challenged when they do. As I explained above, Governor Perry has a personal and political interest in the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas and its use of its funding.
Exactly. Many react to the indictment without knowing the statutory basis for the charges. While Texas governors may exercise the line item veto, the legislature has made clear that abuse of power and coercion in the performance of duties by the executive constitutes a crime. The charge, as I understand it, was brought by a Republican official and a grand jury returned the indictment. Perry may be acquitted if a jury believes that his veto over the funding of the Public Funding Unit was in no way influenced by personal or political animus. But nonetheless, a prima facie case exists and it is a question for a jury in light of the facts.
In any even this episode shows Perry's lack of judgment. A wise executive would make use of his general counsel, who would have provided Perry with a more prudent way of handling this. By threatening the DA, who had the DUI, to resign prior to defunding her unit, he carelessly put himself in a position where criminal charges would certainly be considered. As if we needed an additional reason not to vote for him in a presidential primary, this is one more.
Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
#797571 08/22/1409:46 AM08/22/1409:46 AM
I understand that the venue in which this action was filed is super liberal and in the past have indicted several other Republicans who were later exonerated. Maybe Perry isn't read for national politics, but some say this matter is going to boost his popularity
Who needs introspection when you can just blame everybody else?
There is probably something to be said about the fact that people like Jay-Z, Chris Brown, Tupac, Biggie, Suge Knight who have/had known gang affiliations are/were role models for kids like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Our local newspaper provides in-depth coverage of crime and legal proceedings. Three generalizations:
1. If you are arrested for anything other than a minor misdemeanor, the police load charges against you. For example: if you're busted for, say, personal use quantity of pot, they also charge you with possession of drug paraphernalia (a pipe, wrapping papers), DUI, and, if you are carrying a gun legally, possession of a dangerous weapon while committing a crime. I suppose loading those charges is an incentive for you to plead guilty to the pot possession charge in return for dropping the others.
2. The most severe sentences handed down here are for anything to do with meth (even more so than heroin) and possession of child pornography, or sex with a minor. Double digit sentences, "flat time" (no chance of parole).
3. If you've pleaded not guilty to a serious felony, the judge who'd preside over your trial has a pre-trial hearing with you and tells you what kind of sentence you'd get if you went to trial and were found guilty, vs. what you could expect in a plea bargain (a lot less). This strikes me as intimidation--your lawyer should work out a plea bargain possibility with the prosecutor, not the judge who'd hear your case and sentence you.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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[Re: olivant]
#799763 09/01/1410:43 AM09/01/1410:43 AM
3. If you've pleaded not guilty to a serious felony, the judge who'd preside over your trial has a pre-trial hearing with you and tells you what kind of sentence you'd get if you went to trial and were found guilty, vs. what you could expect in a plea bargain (a lot less). This strikes me as intimidation--your lawyer should work out a plea bargain possibility with the prosecutor, not the judge who'd hear your case and sentence you.
That's really absurd. The Judge is looking you in the face and threatening you, if you ask me.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
3. If you've pleaded not guilty to a serious felony, the judge who'd preside over your trial has a pre-trial hearing with you and tells you what kind of sentence you'd get if you went to trial and were found guilty, vs. what you could expect in a plea bargain (a lot less). This strikes me as intimidation--your lawyer should work out a plea bargain possibility with the prosecutor, not the judge who'd hear your case and sentence you.
That's really absurd. The Judge is looking you in the face and threatening you, if you ask me.
That's how I see it. I assume that your lawyer is present during the hearing. Even so, it's still intimidating.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
A preliminary hearing can be about a number of things and there can be more than one. For one, Preliminary hearings give the defense an opportunity to discover what the prosecution has on the defendant and can actually be conducted as a mini-trial with witnesses and evidence. It can also result in a judge's decision to reduce or eliminate charges. Plea deals are with the prosecution, but must be approved by the court.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
#800114 09/03/1407:22 AM09/03/1407:22 AM
A preliminary hearing can be about a number of things and there can be more than one. For one, Preliminary hearings give the defense an opportunity to discover what the prosecution has on the defendant and can actually be conducted as a mini-trial with witnesses and evidence. It can also result in a judge's decision to reduce or eliminate charges. Plea deals are with the prosecution, but must be approved by the court.
Because of the low burden of proof needed to hold a case over for court in a preliminary hearing in PA, seldom are charges dismissed at that level, but it is an excellent discovery tool and offers a basis on which to impeach the testimony of a witness in trial.
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#800297 09/04/1409:53 AM09/04/1409:53 AM
Local paper reported on a pre-trial maneuver in a case involving an Oklahoma guy who drove to Flagstaff AZ to mail a bomb to Joe Arpaio, sheriff of Maricopa County (Phoenix). Turns out his ulterior motive was to harm his former business partner--he put the former partner's return address on the bomb package.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Local paper reported on a pre-trial maneuver in a case involving an Oklahoma guy who drove to Flagstaff AZ to mail a bomb to Joe Arpaio, sheriff of Maricopa County (Phoenix). Turns out his ulterior motive was to harm his former business partner--he put the former partner's return address on the bomb package.
Ha ha ha ha!!! OMG! And he thought he was being so slick!!
TIS
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"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
I tell you, TIS, the world's stupidest criminals are here in Arizona. You can't make this stuff up.
One I remember from a few years ago: Local paper's headline: "Police Warn of Counterfeiting." Story said a guy tried to pass a phony bill at a McDonald's in the area. "Police called it a poor-quality Xerox--the front was a $50, the back was a $20."
I suppose the guy came in and asked the cashier: "Uh, can you gimme change for a Fifty?" When she said no, he turned it over and said, "How about a Twenty?"
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
I tell you, TIS, the world's stupidest criminals are here in Arizona. You can't make this stuff up.
One I remember from a few years ago: Local paper's headline: "Police Warn of Counterfeiting." Story said a guy tried to pass a phony bill at a McDonald's in the area. "Police called it a poor-quality Xerox--the front was a $50, the back was a $20."
I suppose the guy came in and asked the cashier: "Uh, can you gimme change for a Fifty?" When she said no, he turned it over and said, "How about a Twenty?"
Dear Lord. You can't make that stuff up. Hilarious
I'm glad we have no stupid or weird people here in California.
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
I tell you, TIS, the world's stupidest criminals are here in Arizona. You can't make this stuff up.
One I remember from a few years ago: Local paper's headline: "Police Warn of Counterfeiting." Story said a guy tried to pass a phony bill at a McDonald's in the area. "Police called it a poor-quality Xerox--the front was a $50, the back was a $20."
I suppose the guy came in and asked the cashier: "Uh, can you gimme change for a Fifty?" When she said no, he turned it over and said, "How about a Twenty?"
I honestly heard a lot more stupid criminals (or people) from Florida.
I tell you, TIS, the world's stupidest criminals are here in Arizona. You can't make this stuff up.
One I remember from a few years ago: Local paper's headline: "Police Warn of Counterfeiting." Story said a guy tried to pass a phony bill at a McDonald's in the area. "Police called it a poor-quality Xerox--the front was a $50, the back was a $20."
I suppose the guy came in and asked the cashier: "Uh, can you gimme change for a Fifty?" When she said no, he turned it over and said, "How about a Twenty?"
I honestly heard a lot more stupid criminals (or people) from Florida.
I tend to agree with you Bam. More in recent years, it seems lots of nutjobs (for lack of the perfect word) from FL.
TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
I tell you, TIS, the world's stupidest criminals are here in Arizona. You can't make this stuff up.
One I remember from a few years ago: Local paper's headline: "Police Warn of Counterfeiting." Story said a guy tried to pass a phony bill at a McDonald's in the area. "Police called it a poor-quality Xerox--the front was a $50, the back was a $20."
I suppose the guy came in and asked the cashier: "Uh, can you gimme change for a Fifty?" When she said no, he turned it over and said, "How about a Twenty?"
I honestly heard a lot more stupid criminals (or people) from Florida.
I tend to agree with you Bam. More in recent years, it seems lots of nutjobs (for lack of the perfect word) from FL.
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
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Florida does seem like there is a lot of nutjobs, but the funniest story this past week for me out of Florida is the man that was being chased by the cops, took a rest at a house and started to play with the owners cats after he stoled $15,000 from a friend, stoled a car and was involved in a car accident that was witnessed by the police.
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