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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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To clarify though, there is no solution. It is over. Forever. The Irish said the same when the Italians started to move into their neighborhoods in the late 1800s. Just saying... But that's when Ellis Island came into play, HK. More Italians (and Europeans in general) came to America between 1880 and 1920 than at any other time. That's not going to happen again. Now America will always be a "Nation of Immigrants." But there has been a clear shift as to who gets in and who doesn't in recent years. The powers that be don't encourage immigration from Western European (read: White Judeo-Christian) countries anymore. And it's a shame  .
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Like everyone is saying: just small pockets. Some of the larger pockets are in Queens. Especially Whitestone, Middle Village and Howard. In fact I would put Middle Village up there with Howard as far as remaining Italian populace. If you ever walk through Richmond Hill, especially 98th street south of Jamaica Avenue, plenty of Italian flags. But it's a predominantly Guyanese neighborhood (or something). Same thing with Corona around 104th street (now mostly Mexican, etc.). The truth about Queens is that is almost 50% Asian, all of it. Check out this map from CUNY that says it all: http://www.urbanresearchmaps.org/comparinator/pluralitymap.htm
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Like everyone is saying: just small pockets. Some of the larger pockets are in Queens. Especially Whitestone, Middle Village and Howard. In fact I would put Middle Village up there with Howard as far as remaining Italian populace. If you ever walk through Richmond Hill, especially 98th street south of Jamaica Avenue, plenty of Italian flags. But it's a predominantly Guyanese neighborhood (or something). Same thing with Corona around 104th street (now mostly Mexican, etc.). The truth about Queens is that is almost 50% Asian, all of it. Check out this map from CUNY that says it all: http://www.urbanresearchmaps.org/comparinator/pluralitymap.htm That's spot-on, Flushing. And even though I have more than a few years on you, we're alike in that we're both outer borough holdouts who still actually live here. I have many good friends on this board. But if one more person from the Midwest asks me if the Bronx will ever "be Italian again," I'm gonna scream  .
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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What is Staten Island like today? Isn't it around 30-40% Italian today? That's pretty crazy for it being a whole borough and having that big of an Italian population. But Staten Island is the PERFECT example, Nicky Boy. Staten Island, while technically one of the Five Boroughs, is very suburban. It's MUCH more like North Jersey in feeling than it is like the other boroughs. Italians move to the suburbs today. Staten Island = The Suburbs  .
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Seems like everyone here wants to go back to the 1950's and have their grandparents living downstairs and their cousins next door, the social club on the corner, the italian bakery across the street, ect........... Aint ever gonna be like that again. I think a lot of everyones fascination with Italian neighborhoods are all the great stories you hear everyone tell. There was always action, no one knew they were poor, there was a real sense of community, everyone took care of each other, everything we needed was right outside our door. Very true, it was like that, but keep in mind, those same people in those hoods would dream about living in the suburbs one day. Everyone wants to grow up like Colegero or whatever his name was in a Bronx Tale. Lol
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Seems like everyone here wants to go back to the 1950's and have their grandparents living downstairs and their cousins next door, the social club on the corner, the italian bakery across the street, ect. Except for the people who actually lived through it. Like me, and just a few others here. No one---I repeat, no one---who grew up in a tenement neighborhood wants the same for their kids. The only people who make these kinds of posts---and I'm not judging here, I'm just pointing out the truth---are kids who feel like they were "born too late," so they tend to look at the world through the eyes of a revisionist. Everyone wants to grow up like Colegero or whatever his name was in a Bronx Tale. Lol And this is spot-fucking-on. I'm six or seven years younger than Chazz Palminteri, but I grew up a whole three blocks away from him. He grew up on 187th, right off Cambreleng. I grew up on 187th and Hoffman. If you ever run into him, ask him if he wants to move back there today, even if the neighborhood was still Italian (which it most certainly isn't). He'll laugh at you and tell you that he's quite content on his farm up in Bedford.
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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I find it extremely hard to believe that people have went from having to go outside to shit in a hole to having HDTV and iPad's all in the space of less than 50 years. I guess you've never been to West Virginia.
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Would you New York guys consider Queens a "suburban" area similar to Staten Island or is it more similar to The Bronx and Brooklyn? Queens is mixed, Nicky. Some parts, like Howard Beach, are very suburban. Other parts, like Astoria, are more urban. Howard Beach seems to be one of the few strongholds left, something like 50% Italian.
Anyone mention Dyker Heights? And please stop Googling demographics, Nicky. Please  .
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Howard Beach seems to be one of the few strongholds left, something like 50% Italian.
Anyone mention Dyker Heights?
And please stop Googling demographics, Nicky. Please  . I got that number from the Howard Beach website  Would you say that number is wrong?
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Howard Beach seems to be one of the few strongholds left, something like 50% Italian.
Anyone mention Dyker Heights?
And please stop Googling demographics, Nicky. Please  . I got that number from the Howard Beach website  Would you say that number is wrong? It's not the number that frightens me, Nicky. It's your obsession with wanting it to be 1976. And you weren't born until 1996! 
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Howard Beach seems to be one of the few strongholds left, something like 50% Italian.
Anyone mention Dyker Heights?
And please stop Googling demographics, Nicky. Please  . I got that number from the Howard Beach website  Would you say that number is wrong? It's not the number that frightens me, Nicky. It's your obsession with wanting it to be 1976. And you weren't born until 1996! Don't get me wrong I wish it was 1976, but I'm in no way obsessed. The thread is about Italian areas in New York and all I did was post an Italian area with the demographic.
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Don't get me wrong I wish it was 1976, but I'm in no way obsessed. The thread is about Italian areas in New York and all I did was post an Italian area with the demographic. I'm just having some fun with you, Nicky. You know that. And trust me, forty years from now you're going to wish it was 2014  .
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Don't get me wrong I wish it was 1976, but I'm in no way obsessed. The thread is about Italian areas in New York and all I did was post an Italian area with the demographic. I'm just having some fun with you, Nicky. You know that. And trust me, forty years from now you're going to wish it was 2014  . I can't deny that!
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Like everyone is saying: just small pockets. Some of the larger pockets are in Queens. Especially Whitestone, Middle Village and Howard. In fact I would put Middle Village up there with Howard as far as remaining Italian populace. If you ever walk through Richmond Hill, especially 98th street south of Jamaica Avenue, plenty of Italian flags. But it's a predominantly Guyanese neighborhood (or something). Same thing with Corona around 104th street (now mostly Mexican, etc.). The truth about Queens is that is almost 50% Asian, all of it. Check out this map from CUNY that says it all: http://www.urbanresearchmaps.org/comparinator/pluralitymap.htm That's spot-on, Flushing. And even though I have more than a few years on you, we're alike in that we're both outer borough holdouts who still actually live here. I have many good friends on this board. But if one more person from the Midwest asks me if the Bronx will ever "be Italian again," I'm gonna scream  . Thanks, Pizza. We are the only two holdouts left, I think.
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Nothing stays the same....ever
Not to hijack the thread to Florida but I grew up in Hollywood. It was loaded with Italians from NY, NJ, PA etc. Back in 1970's there were at least five or six families on every block. My grandparents owned both houses on either side of us, across the street was an old guy from Italy named Rocky. there were at least five or six Italian specialty shops (and Hollywood is relatively small).
Miramar Fl was at least 50% or more Italian back in the 70's. My Wife went to Miramar high and every other kid has an Italian last name in her yearbook. They used to have a San Gennaro Feast in Miramar for years.
Now both Hollywood and ESPECIALLY Miramar are Jamaican, Haitian, and West Indian dominant.
You can tell when you drive though there. The houses are painted orange, pastel green and purple.....and the cut down all the trees.
Its all over. The best you can do is to try and teach a little of the culture (Italian) to your kids.
Sal
I knew I forgot something- The "San Gennaro" that they used to have every year in Miramar is now "The Caribbean Festival"....nice, huh?
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Would you New York guys consider Queens a "suburban" area similar to Staten Island or is it more similar to The Bronx and Brooklyn?
Howard Beach seems to be one of the few strongholds left, something like 50% Italian.
Anyone mention Dyker Heights? Dyker Heights is still largely Italian. Queens is hard to classify as suburban. the western part features the largest housing project in the nation (queensbridge), lefrak city, and the third busiest intersection in the city (Main Street and Roosevelt Avenue, which resembles Beijing, except with more people). East Flushing, Fresh Meadows and Bayside is where the suburbs start, and where I am from. The zoning laws were restrictive there and large complexes couldn't be built. Bayside and Whitestone look like Levitown or Hicksville. Astoria and Corona look like any Brooklyn neighborhood. In the southern part by JFK are some middle class black neighborhoods, like Laurelton and Springfield Gardens. Then there is the super Ghetto of South Jamaica (where 50Cent is from). Every time I need to get off the train there I am constantly looking over my shoulder. It's where the shower posse killed that cop while he was eating lunch in his patrol car. Queens is too big to classify.
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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC
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Seems like everyone here wants to go back to the 1950's and have their grandparents living downstairs and their cousins next door, the social club on the corner, the italian bakery across the street, ect. Except for the people who actually lived through it. Like me, and just a few others here. No one---I repeat, no one---who grew up in a tenement neighborhood wants the same for their kids. The only people who make these kinds of posts---and I'm not judging here, I'm just pointing out the truth---are kids who feel like they were "born too late," so they tend to look at the world through the eyes of a revisionist. Everyone wants to grow up like Colegero or whatever his name was in a Bronx Tale. Lol And this is spot-fucking-on. I'm six or seven years younger than Chazz Palminteri, but I grew up a whole three blocks away from him. He grew up on 187th, right off Cambreleng. I grew up on 187th and Hoffman. If you ever run into him, ask him if he wants to move back there today, even if the neighborhood was still Italian (which it most certainly isn't). He'll laugh at you and tell you that he's quite content on his farm up in Bedford. I was once having a drink with a younger hood looking kind of guy in a bar in Brooklyn in the 90s and he said "Everyone romanticisez this place. It's a sh## hole."
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