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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807121
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Huron,

Just sharing info. I only know what I've read beginning with the Family Secrets Trial. Names that come to mind relative to Ferriola are, Tony Borsolino, Butch Petrocelli, Chuckie English. I believe he was reputed to have ordered the deaths of these guys. Was the uncle of Harry Aleman, and I think Petrocelli was killed for keeping some money earmarked for Aleman.

Ferriola did seem very brutal; quick on the trigger. I have no idea about his standing with Outfit members.

Where was Infelise during this time? What was his position? He was another tough character. Was this the last of the Taylor St crew?

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Butchie was whacked because he told one of the bosses that he wasnt with taylor st, and demanded he was a freelancer of every crew. The next week, he was found in a garage burnt to death. Harry was ordered to do the work. A few others were involved


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Petrocelli was killed by calabrese, lapietra etc. it's mentioned extensively in the family secrets book. He was killed because he was keeping money meant for aleman, shooting off his mouth and general insubordination. He was found on his car 3 months after his murder. His face was burnt when the fire nick calabrese started in the car failed to catch.

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Infelise was under Ferriola at the time in the Cicero crew

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Richards_bar] #807134
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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Richards_bar] #807138
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Originally Posted By: Richards_bar
Petrocelli was killed by calabrese, lapietra etc. it's mentioned extensively in the family secrets book. He was killed because he was keeping money meant for aleman, shooting off his mouth and general insubordination. He was found on his car 3 months after his murder. His face was burnt when the fire nick calabrese started in the car failed to catch.


Yes, now I remember. And Chuckie English was clipped for talking too much about the "glory days; and if memory serves me, English was unsure about his loyalties to Lombardo and Ferriola.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807155
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Interesting story surrounding the events of the murder Borsellino.

http://www.ganglandchicagohistory.com/2010/02/the-wild-bunchs-duke-why-mobster-says.html

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: funkster] #807189
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Originally Posted By: funkster
Interesting story surrounding the events of the murder Borsellino.

http://www.ganglandchicagohistory.com/2010/02/the-wild-bunchs-duke-why-mobster-says.html


Yes, this was one of the stories I read some time ago during the FS trial. It's really difficult to remember when and where you find and read them. Thanks Funkster.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: GaryMartin] #807203
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Huron,

Just sharing info. I only know what I've read beginning with the Family Secrets Trial. Names that come to mind relative to Ferriola are, Tony Borsolino, Butch Petrocelli, Chuckie English. I believe he was reputed to have ordered the deaths of these guys. Was the uncle of Harry Aleman, and I think Petrocelli was killed for keeping some money earmarked for Aleman.

Ferriola did seem very brutal; quick on the trigger. I have no idea about his standing with Outfit members.

Where was Infelise during this time? What was his position? He was another tough character. Was this the last of the Taylor St crew?


Ferriola was began as an enforcer for Fifi and Frank Buccieri in the first ward. He then gravitated to the Cicero crew and began working for Turk Torello. He used to own dry cleaners everywhere and he was called "Mr. Clean" in Cicero.

He got the nickname "Joe Nick" because his father's name was Nick and it was a custom in the Patch to call kids with common Catholic names like Joseph or Peter by their first names and their father's first names to distinguish them.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807211
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I'll look around for it, but Snakes posted a great link to an informant's recounting of Joe Nick's induction. Can't remember who it was he was inducted with...maybe Daddano?

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Thanks to all you guys for the info. Once you started mentioning people and places, my memory "came alive." Thanks again.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: funkster] #807219
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Originally Posted By: funkster
I'll look around for it, but Snakes posted a great link to an informant's recounting of Joe Nick's induction. Can't remember who it was he was inducted with...maybe Daddano?


Tony Pine Eldorado. Daddano was his sponsor while Buccieri sponsored Ferriola.


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I'll look around for it, but Snakes posted a great link to an informant's recounting of Joe Nick's induction. Can't remember who it was he was inducted with...maybe Daddano?


Tony Pine Eldorado. Daddano was his sponsor while Buccieri sponsored Ferriola.

Doh..that's right. Be great if there was more info on the ceremony. Anyone know when Eldorado died? You still have the link Snakes?

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807294
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Eldorado died in 1975. I'd have to dig to find the link again but I believe I posted it in this thread.


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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Snakes] #807456
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Snakes you got any info on fifi buccieri and james the turk torllo there crimes etc smile

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807709
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Daddano, according to the informant, was already made when Joe Nick was inducted. Daddano at that time was high up enough that he could sponsor people to become members. If things haven't changed, according to info from Nick Calabrese only a capo or higher could sponsor someone.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807741
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faithful, I read [ family secrets ] about the calabreses. was the father made? I don't believe the son was.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Frank Jr. was not made.

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807806
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Does Frank Jr. still have a piece of La Luce?

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807843
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Do you know if anyone of importance has anything to do with it, or is it totally legit these days? Never been there but I pass it everyday on my way to the gym. Is it any good? Nice little old school looking place right under the El.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Binnie_Coll] #807846
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faithful, I read [ family secrets ] about the calabreses. was the father made? I don't believe the son was.


As Snakes said he was, and I think he was one time capo of the Chinatown crew wasn't he Snakes? When LaPietra died or went to jail I think?

Also Calabrese's son is married to LaPietra's granddaughter I think, Kurt I think?

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faithful, I read [ family secrets ] about the calabreses. was the father made? I don't believe the son was.


As Snakes said he was, and I think he was one time capo of the Chinatown crew wasn't he Snakes? When LaPietra died or went to jail I think?

Also Calabrese's son is married to LaPietra's granddaughter I think, Kurt I think?

Calabrese was never a capo of that crew. After LaPietra went away it passed to his brother then on to Johnny Apes after that as I recall. From there it went to the Carusos.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807862
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Where in Chicago are you from funk?

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807863
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Burbs but I've lived at grand and noble for about 10 years now. Family purchased property here when I was young before I even knew what the outfit was lol

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: HuronSocialAthletic] #807873
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Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
Regardless of whether or not Ferriola was ever the formal #1, he was undoubtedly th heaviest, most feared guy on the streets throughout the late 70s/early 80s, and he was in line to become #1 before he died



was cicero killing more than the heights in the 70s 80s?

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Saturday, October 11, 2014


Feds argue case is classic extortion in Chicago


Federal prosecutors say the meeting in the Fuddruckers restaurant in Wisconsin was old-school extortion, carried out by two foul-mouthed tough guys sent to collect a debt.

But lawyers for two men charged with arranging the October 2010 encounter and several other alleged extortion attempts on behalf of a suburban businessman say there is no crime in asking someone to pay up money that is owed — even if the person making the request uses some salty language and happens to be physically intimidating.

"Being 300 pounds is not a crime," attorney Nishay Sanan told a federal jury in his closing argument Tuesday at a colorful extortion conspiracy trial. "Having a big head is not a crime. … A fat guy walks into a restaurant, sits down and says, 'F--- you, you owe me some money' … It's offensive, but it's not a crime."

Frank Orlando and Robert McManus are on trial on charges of conspiring to extort money on behalf of Mark Dziuban, who at the time was the vice president of sales for American Litho, a printing company in Carol Stream. Prosecutors have alleged the two enlisted the help of Outfit-connected pizzeria owner Paul Carparelli, who in turn hired beefy former union bodyguard George Brown and plumbing contractor Vito Iozzo to get the job done.

Brown, 51, and Iozzo, 43, each pleaded guilty last month to one count of conspiracy to commit extortion, admitting their roles in several collection attempts that had them jetting off to Wisconsin and New Jersey to find debtors and included one in which a victim was beaten. Dziuban and Carparelli have denied wrongdoing and are awaiting trial.

In one alleged extortion, Brown and Iozzo marched into the owner's office at a Chicago granite company looking to collect on a $500,000 debt, according to Brown's plea agreement with prosecutors. On Brown's signal, a third man, Patrick White, whacked the victim on the head, knocking him to the floor, authorities alleged.

"I told the granite guy, 'Hey motherf-----, this isn't going to go away,'" Brown admitted in a written statement filed in federal court last month. "I hit the granite guy in the head and then White kicked him. I told the granite guy that we had his phone number and that we would be calling him."

In the alleged Wisconsin extortion, Dziuban flew Brown and Iozzo on a private plane to Appleton to confront a business owner about a $100,000 debt his company allegedly owed to American Litho, prosecutors said.

The victim testified last week that he and Dziuban met alone in the back room of a Fuddruckers and he offered to hand over a special edition Ford Mustang as partial payment. Suddenly, Brown and Iozzo walked in, pulled up chairs alongside him and started demanding payment, saying they won't forget what he owes, the victim said.

When Iozzo asked him for an address where the car could be picked up, the victim was "shaking and stuttering" so badly that Iozzo instead grabbed the victim's driver's license and wrote the information down himself, according to Brown's written statement.

The victim testified that after the meeting, he filed a complaint in writing with police about the threats. When the victim had trouble reading the complaint in court, he told jurors he was still shaking when he filled it out and his handwriting was almost illegible.

Sanan, who represents Orlando, told jurors in his argument that the victim had no reason to fear Brown — who testified for prosecutors — and that no direct threats were ever made.

"All you have is a 300-pound guy sitting next to somebody, not on top of them," Sanan said. "And when he left he shook his hand."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-debts-intimidation-fear-met-1008-20141007-story.html

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: funkster] #807974
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Originally Posted By: funkster

Calabrese was never a capo of that crew. After LaPietra went away it passed to his brother then on to Johnny Apes after that as I recall. From there it went to the Carusos.


Thanks. As you can tell I'm still learning about Chicago. I know it seems the Calabrese/LaPietra families were pretty close.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #808006
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Frank, Sr's son Kurt is married to Angelo's granddaughter.


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Originally Posted By: funkster

Calabrese was never a capo of that crew. After LaPietra went away it passed to his brother then on to Johnny Apes after that as I recall. From there it went to the Carusos.


Thanks. As you can tell I'm still learning about Chicago. I know it seems the Calabrese/LaPietra families were pretty close.

Yep. Lot of intermarriages in the Outfit.

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