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Tony Accardo
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Was tony Accardo a hitman in the st valentine day massacre and what weapon did you think he used a machine gun ? as FBI Agent bill roamer over heard tony accardo say he was there on a FBI BUG .
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/03/14 12:55 PM
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Allegedly! and the guns used was the Thompson smg with the 45 caliber 50 round drum. Tough tony capezio was allegedly the second gunman. But frank anselmi and john scalise were the Main prime suspects. Who knows who the real killers were.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/03/14 03:34 PM
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I highly doubt that Accardo was involved. i do not
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Re: Tony Accardo
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Accardo was McGurn's driver, but he is not named by serious authorities on the subject as being directly involved.
Funnily enough the Massacre is not much of a mystery, though it remains officially unsolved. There is not much reason to doubt the Byron Bolton confession. Bill Helmer's book lays it out in (exhausting) detail.
Burke, Winkler, Bolton, Goetz, who knows who else, in all probability did it.
Burke was arrested with the guns, Bolton confessed, Winkler's widow confirmed. That's about as close to a closed case as you are likely to get .
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/03/14 08:11 PM
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Didn't the FBI (or some other law enforcement agency) re-test Burke's guns in the last 10 years or so?
I thought I read somewhere that they decided to check them again using more modern ballistics / forensic tools and techniques, specifically to see if they could be matched to some other cases in Detroit. My memory on this is hazy, and it may not have been Detroit, but it was a city other than Chicago.
And, jonnynonos is correct, it was likely Burke, Winkler, Bolton etc. I think the evidence against them is convincing.
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/04/14 04:16 AM
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Fred "Killer" Burke, Raymond “Shocker” Schulte,Fred Goetz,Gus Winkler, James Ray and Raymond “Crane Neck” Nugent were members of the St. Louis gang Egan's Rats and they all moved to Chicago in the period of 1925-1930 and became associates of the Circus gang under Claude Maddox and were also named by the media as Capone's “American Boys”.Story goes that Raymond “Shocker” Schulte, a.k.a. Charles Maginness, dismantled the getaway car from the St.Valentines day massacre together with Tony Capezio.Capezio got burned while using flammable liquids to get rid of the evidence.He ran to a hospital clinic,but then ran back out when he realized that someone who might saw the fire would be calling the cops. This stunt earned him the nickname “Tough Tony.”
Byron Bolton,former member of Alvin Karpis gang was also a close friend of Capezio, Bolton became a stool pigeon becase he swindled the gang for a lot of cash.After Byron Bolton’s 1935 confession,Claude Maddox was picked up by the cops again( because he was also picked up right after the massacre)but later was released.
As for young Accardo, story goes that he was in one of the look out crews together with Ross Prio and Jimmy "The Swede" Moran.Prio also got picked up by the cops for questioning.
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Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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Fred "Killer" Burke, Raymond “Shocker” Schulte,Fred Goetz,Gus Winkler, James Ray and Raymond “Crane Neck” Nugent were members of the St. Louis gang Egan's Rats and they all moved to Chicago in the period of 1925-1930 and became associates of the Circus gang under Claude Maddox and were also named by the media as Capone's “American Boys”.Story goes that Raymond “Shocker” Schulte, a.k.a. Charles Maginness, dismantled the getaway car from the St.Valentines day massacre together with Tony Capezio.Capezio got burned while using flammable liquids to get rid of the evidence.He ran to a hospital clinic,but then ran back out when he realized that someone who might saw the fire would be calling the cops. This stunt earned him the nickname “Tough Tony.”
Byron Bolton,former member of Alvin Karpis gang was also a close friend of Capezio, Bolton became a stool pigeon becase he swindled the gang for a lot of cash.After Byron Bolton’s 1935 confession,Claude Maddox was picked up by the cops again( because he was also picked up right after the massacre)but later was released.
As for young Accardo, story goes that he was in one of the look out crews together with Ross Prio and Jimmy "The Swede" Moran.Prio also got picked up by the cops for questioning. Good explanation, Toodoped. Good to hear from you.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/04/14 08:45 AM
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Fred "Killer" Burke, Raymond “Shocker” Schulte,Fred Goetz,Gus Winkler, James Ray and Raymond “Crane Neck” Nugent were members of the St. Louis gang Egan's Rats and they all moved to Chicago in the period of 1925-1930 and became associates of the Circus gang under Claude Maddox and were also named by the media as Capone's “American Boys”.Story goes that Raymond “Shocker” Schulte, a.k.a. Charles Maginness, dismantled the getaway car from the St.Valentines day massacre together with Tony Capezio.Capezio got burned while using flammable liquids to get rid of the evidence.He ran to a hospital clinic,but then ran back out when he realized that someone who might saw the fire would be calling the cops. This stunt earned him the nickname “Tough Tony.”
Byron Bolton,former member of Alvin Karpis gang was also a close friend of Capezio, Bolton became a stool pigeon becase he swindled the gang for a lot of cash.After Byron Bolton’s 1935 confession,Claude Maddox was picked up by the cops again( because he was also picked up right after the massacre)but later was released.
As for young Accardo, story goes that he was in one of the look out crews together with Ross Prio and Jimmy "The Swede" Moran.Prio also got picked up by the cops for questioning. Good explanation, Toodoped. Good to hear from you. Thanks GaryMartin 
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/05/14 06:29 PM
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I remember reading in the book { the last Mafioso} johnny roseli is talking to frattiano about aiuppa beconning boss of the outfit. "hes was nothing but a cheap bust out man from cicero" He was described as such in his FBI files as well by an informant.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/07/14 09:27 AM
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The guys who robbed accardos house always fascinated me , accardo was never one to be crossed
John Mendell robbed a jewellery store belonging to accardos friend Harry levinson , wen accardo found out he made them give all the loot bak . That's wen the house was robbed , bernie Ryan , Steve Garcia , vincent morretti, Donald Swanson , john mendell , john macdonald , bobby hertogs, micheal volpe who was supposed to watch the house while accardo was away was also murdered . The last two to be killed John Borsellino and Gerry Carusiello had taken care of the burglars and had now themselves been taken care of. No more ties to Accardo.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/07/14 10:46 AM
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The guys who robbed accardos house always fascinated me , accardo was never one to be crossed
John Mendell robbed a jewellery store belonging to accardos friend Harry levinson , wen accardo found out he made them give all the loot bak . That's wen the house was robbed , bernie Ryan , Steve Garcia , vincent morretti, Donald Swanson , john mendell , john macdonald , bobby hertogs, micheal volpe who was supposed to watch the house while accardo was away was also murdered . The last two to be killed John Borsellino and Gerry Carusiello had taken care of the burglars and had now themselves been taken care of. No more ties to Accardo. Wow, I've heard of the robbery but never knew any of the details. Dudes were pretty damn STUPID to knock off the Big Tuna after you done pissed him off once. There is NO WAY I would have been that stupid. Almost as dumb as the bookie in Federal Hill in Providence that told Patriarca's underboss to tell Ray Sr. to "shit in a hat" and thought he would live to keep up the bookmaking. Some folks just want to die I guess. I cant understand why he would murder his housesitter Michael volpe. I'd like to learn more about this too, but looks like he wasn't doing much house sitting.....lol
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/07/14 10:54 AM
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I think I read where a couple of the burglars of accardos home, had their faces burned off with blow torches, I cant understand why he would murder his housesitter Michael volpe. Technically, Volpe disappeared. Loose lips sink ships. Volpe knew too much and had already spilled to the grand jury that there had been a break in. A fact Accardo had been trying to deny.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/07/14 11:20 AM
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Yeah borsellino was part of the wild bunch , did William “Butch” Petrocelli not get him clipped , think I read that somewhere Well, the burglaries may have had something to do with Bors getting killed; it was said that he had expressed reservations about killing some guys that he knew were not involved with the burglary. But the main reason he was killed is because Butch Petrocelli was a major rival of his. Butch began spreading rumors that Bors was an informant (some of which may have been related to the burglary), specifically to Joe Ferriola. Once Turk Torello (whom Bors belonged to) died, the way was open for Bors to be killed and for Butch to increase his power. It was believed that Jerry Scalise and Jerry Scarpelli killed Borsellino and dumped his body on the side of a country road. Butch himself was killed the next year for running his mouth and, ironically enough, because of rumors that he was an informant.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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10/07/14 11:21 AM
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I think I read where a couple of the burglars of accardos home, had their faces burned off with blow torches, I cant understand why he would murder his housesitter Michael volpe. Technically, Volpe disappeared. Loose lips sink ships. Volpe knew too much and had already spilled to the grand jury that there had been a break in. A fact Accardo had been trying to deny. It was originally noted in the papers that Butch Petrocelli appeared to have been tortured with a blowtorch but this was later discredited by Nick Calabrese. The burns were actually the result of a failed attempt to torch the car that Butch's body was left in.
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Re: Tony Accardo
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I think I read where a couple of the burglars of accardos home, had their faces burned off with blow torches, I cant understand why he would murder his housesitter Michael volpe. Binnie - The Chicago Police Dept. indicated that Accardo, Aiuppa and Cerone somehow felt, or were told, that Volpe assisted the burglars. Sounds bizarre, but it didn't take much to get you killed when dealing with the Outfit. I've only heard this theory from one source.......Chicago Police Dept. May or may not be true. Who knows? I don't believe Volpe or his car (Honda) were ever found.
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