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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #802487
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Tom Forliano (Franky's husband) was in the Grand Avenue crew and has been convicted several times for burglary. His son Vincent is married to Rudy Fratto's daughter.

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: slick] #802669
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Originally Posted By: slick
Was reading Harry Alemans' obit, and his step daughters and granddaughters are married to outfit connected men or outfit associated families. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chicagotribune/obituary.aspx?pid=142889144


Their biological father, Frank Mustari, was a hitman as well.

He was killed in Lyons back in 57. He was waiting in the back seat of a target's car. The target, a tavern owner named Bates, was alerted to his presence by his dog and Bates got the drop on Mustari.
Bates was killed about 6 months later.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #802747
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if there Is that many guys in Chicago, they must have a lot of money coming in to support them all, with that many guys it does not look like the feds ever made a dent in them.



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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803022
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Snakes you think Tom Forliano may still be involved? I think he is a year younger than Vena, and they would have probably worked together at some point in time. Also his son was arrested for burglary with Mario Rainone, who was close with Vena, and in 1989 with Jose Martinez, who has been arrested with Panozzo and Koroluk for burglary. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-04-14/news/8904040097_1_burglary-chief-williams-scanners

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803025
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I couldn't say. Maybe Huron or ChiTown would know.


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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803029
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Any one know if there any books on jackie cerone or gus alex or any stories they know about them or how many hits they did in the outfit .

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: slick] #803063
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Originally Posted By: slick
Snakes you think Tom Forliano may still be involved? I think he is a year younger than Vena, and they would have probably worked together at some point in time. Also his son was arrested for burglary with Mario Rainone, who was close with Vena, and in 1989 with Jose Martinez, who has been arrested with Panozzo and Koroluk for burglary. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-04-14/news/8904040097_1_burglary-chief-williams-scanners


First off, Martinez is from the neighborhood and was definitely a CNote - I have no idea where he is today, but he could very likely be still involved with Panozzo's crew. Vena was frequently contracted out to the North Side crew that Mario Rainone was running for Gus Alex. I'm sure those two know each other well, though I've heard most shun Mario now days (but not his kid).

I have no idea about Forliano, but if he's connected to Rudy through marriage, he may very well still be involved with things.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803123
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These three guys ever got charged in that burglary case?

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803505
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I posted this over on the other forum. It's a complete estimation and not meant to be taken officially, but most of you know me enough by now to understand I don't claim to be the be-all, end-all for my information.

It's meant to be structured in the same way as some of the NYC charts you'll see floating around.

Some of the guys listed as "soldiers" may very well not be made, but I included some of them anyway in order to "round out" the chart.

Administration:
1. Boss: Salvatore "Sal/Solly D" DeLaurentis/76
2. Underboss: Peter "Greedy Pete" DiFronzo/81
3. Advisor/Consigliere: Joseph "Joe/The Builder" Andriacchi/81

Capos:
1. Frank "Toots" Caruso/68 - South Side
2. Marco "The Mover" D'Amico/78 - Elmwood Park
3. James "Jimmy I" Inendino/71 - Cicero
4. Albert "Albie" Vena/66 - Grand Avenue

Soldiers:
Robert "Bobby A" Abbinanti/59
Joseph "Joe Kong" Calato/64
Bruno Caruso/70
Leo Caruso/70
Nicholas "Nicky C" Cataudella/54
Salvatore "Sammy C" Cataudella/61
Virgil "The Truck" Cimmino/68
Phillip "Phil" Cozzo/57
John "No Nose" DiFronzo/85
Joseph DiFronzo/79
Robert "Bobby D" Dominic/62
Anthony "Tony" Dote/62
Nicholas "Nick" Ferriola/39
Rudolph "Rudy" Fratto/70
Gary "Little Gags" Gagliano/70
William "Billy" Galioto/77
Joseph "Joe Glasses" Grieco/86
Michael "Mike/Mickey" Gurgone/77
Nicholas "Nick/Jumbo" Guzzino/73
Michael "Mikey Mags" Magnafichi/52
Michael "Mickey" Marcello/63
Dino Marino/56
John "Pudgy" Matassa, Jr./63
Lawrence "Larry" Petitt/84
Paul Spano/83
Christopher "Christy/The Nose" Spina/61
John Spizzirri/77
Richard Spizzirri/71
Michael "Mike" Talarico/62

Imprisoned Members:
Robert "Bobby/Gabeet" Bellavia/74 (IP 5/1/2016)
Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo/85 (IP/L)
James "Jimmy Light" Marcello/70 (IP/L)
Louis "Lou Tamatoes" Marino/82 (IP 11/2/2014)
Robert "Bobby/The Boxer" Salerno/80 (IP 11/21/2024)
Michael "Big Mike" Sarno/56 (10/25/2032)
Joseph "Jerry/Witherhand" Scalise/76 (IP 5/28/2019)
Michael "Big Mike" Spano/73 (IP 6/29/2015)

Members Who Died Since 1998:
Donald "Don Angel" Angelini (2000)
Dominick "Dom" Basso (2001)
Carmine "Carmen" Bastone (2002)
Salvatore "Sal" Bastone (1998)
Frank Bonavolante (2002)
Frank "The Horse" Buccieri (2004)
Eugene "Gene" Cacciatore (2000)
John Michael "Marshall" Caifano (2003)
Frank "Frankie Breeze" Calabrese, Sr. (2013)
Michael "Mike" Castaldo (2005)
Anthony Centracchio (2001)
Anthony "The Hatch" Chiaramonti (2001) (Murdered)
Dominic "Large" Cortina (1999)
James Vincent "Jimmy" Cozzo (2007)
Charles "Charlie/Specs" DiCaro (2011)
James "Jim/Poker" DiForti (2000)
Ernest Rocco "Rocky I" Infelise (2005)
Joseph "Joe/Shorty" LaMantia (2002)
Angelo "The Hook" LaPietra (1999)
Philip "Phil" Mesi (2001)
William "Willie/The Beast" Messino (2002)
John "Johnny Apes" Monteleone (2001)
Bernard "Snookie" Morgano (2010)
Salvatore Mucerino (2004)
Romeo Jack "Romie" Nappi (2001)
Dominic "Tootsie" Palermo (2005)
Charles Parrilli (2005)
Louis "Lou" Parrilli (1998)
Alfred "Al" Pilotto (1999)
Aldo "Junior" Piscitelli (2013)
Fred Roti (1999)
Albert "Al" Roviaro (2003)
Donald "Don/The Sponge" Scalise (2013)
Albert "Al/Caesar" Tocco (2005)
Alfonso "Al/The Pizza Man" Tornabene (2009)
Anthony "Little Tony" Zizzo (2006) (Disappeared)

Members Who Have Flipped:
Nicholas "Nick" Calabrese/Soldier

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803514
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Good list. One question: Why do you think Pete DiFronzo is the underboss and not retired?

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803518
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I had nobody else to put there. I guess it could conceivably be someone from the Cicero crew, but traditionally the #2 position has been from a separate crew than the bosses.

You could probably place Inendino at the #2 spot and make Matassa the capo of Cicero. I can't say for sure.


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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803519
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Long time lurker, but this is my first post.

Does anyone know what Carmen Bastone's sons, Joey and Jaime, are up to these days?

From what I heard Carmen had been involved in running some of the Casinos in the in Central and South America, prior to his death.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #803521
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The following is from Black Angelo, who I always found to be a fairly credible poster on Fosco's message board:

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"Logic".. Carmen Bastone has 3 sons: Carmen jr., Joey and Jamie. Carmine jr is in his mid 50s and somewhat troubled. He shoplifts for a living it seems.

Jamie is around 46 and is a rough guy albeit a good buisness man (he runs a hauling firm). Joey is 48/49 y.o. and a big dude..he's a former competitive bodybuilder and a pretty good family man. He to is a good business man and a genius when it comes to the air filtration industry.

All 3 of Carmen's kids are well cultured. Jamie I know for a fact went to college in Madrid, Spain (Joey may have to). (Carmen sr. had major real estate, investments and stock in Spain so he)

The Gov't claims they (Carmens kids) are involved in Organized Crime but honestly their is no evidence of that. They did have a very close relationship with their father from their birth till his death and this may be the only thing the Feds have. Since when is it a crime to have a close relationship with your dad ?

The only one who commits any type of crimes is Carmen jr. and that is the petty theft he indulges in.


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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #805704
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I was looking into the people from the Joseph Abate indictment, and everyone is in jail except Joe Abate and Diomede Cardone. Steve Klebosits is in Duluth release date 3/15/17. Thomas Hyland Duluth 7/13/15. Joseph Natalizio Marion 5/3/17. Jason Strever Elkton 9/12/15. Yusef Allan Chicago MCC 10/29/14. Funny thing is Federal inmate locator has Joe Abate, but it says release date unknown, not in BOP custody.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Snakes] #805709
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Nice post, Snakes.

Don't you think John DiFronzo should be retired instead of a soldier?

Lot of old guys on the list.

Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: slick] #805715
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Originally Posted By: slick
I was looking into the people from the Joseph Abate indictment, and everyone is in jail except Joe Abate and Diomede Cardone. Steve Klebosits is in Duluth release date 3/15/17. Thomas Hyland Duluth 7/13/15. Joseph Natalizio Marion 5/3/17. Jason Strever Elkton 9/12/15. Yusef Allan Chicago MCC 10/29/14. Funny thing is Federal inmate locator has Joe Abate, but it says release date unknown, not in BOP custody.


Joe Abate is married to one of Rudy Fratto's daughters. He has been around a long time. I also know Cardone - he's a doppleganger for Mike "The Situation"

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: slick
I was looking into the people from the Joseph Abate indictment, and everyone is in jail except Joe Abate and Diomede Cardone. Steve Klebosits is in Duluth release date 3/15/17. Thomas Hyland Duluth 7/13/15. Joseph Natalizio Marion 5/3/17. Jason Strever Elkton 9/12/15. Yusef Allan Chicago MCC 10/29/14. Funny thing is Federal inmate locator has Joe Abate, but it says release date unknown, not in BOP custody.


Joe Abate is married to one of Rudy Fratto's daughters. He has been around a long time. I also know Cardone - he's a doppleganger for Mike "The Situation"

That's a scary thought lol. Is he about the same age?

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Probably is.

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I thought Andriacchi was the new boss? or so the media said. What makes you think its Solly D? Im not criticizing, just asking.


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Nobody knows for sure but other guys who know more than I do about Chicago have stated he's as likely as anyone. I know Scott Burnstein and Joe Fosco have both stated that they wouldn't be surprised if he was boss. It was Fosco who stated that Andriacchi had moved up to senior advisor (consigliere on the East Coast). Pete DiFronzo was a total guess on underboss on my part. I figure it could be someone like Inendino but traditionally the boss and the underboss in Chicago have come from different crews. Times change though.


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My guess as boss would be Marco D'Amico - with Andriacchi being the largely retired subadvisor. Marco was respected by all of the oldtime guard and is close with guys from all crews - Cicero, Grand Ave etc. It's logical that DiFronzo would want a member of his own crew stepping in for him also.

Solly D spends his time with his family and helping run his girlfriend's carpet cleaning business. I see him more as an advisor to guys like Jimmy I and Toots Caruso who are probably running things in Cicero.

Marco is probably the most "Accardo-like" figure on the street right now. He's been around and worked with all the crews.

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
My guess as boss would be Marco D'Amico - with Andriacchi being the largely retired subadvisor. Marco was respected by all of the oldtime guard and is close with guys from all crews - Cicero, Grand Ave etc. It's logical that DiFronzo would want a member of his own crew stepping in for him also.

Solly D spends his time with his family and helping run his girlfriend's carpet cleaning business. I see him more as an advisor to guys like Jimmy I and Toots Caruso who are probably running things in Cicero.

Marco is probably the most "Accardo-like" figure on the street right now. He's been around and worked with all the crews.


Would you be willing to elaborate on the last paragraph ? Especially the "Accardo-like" figure. I'm not trying to start a big discussion about these folks, just looking at the m.o.of different leaders. I know very little about the current Outfit guys, but I have read and researched extensively the Ricca, Accardo and Giancana era. Always looking for more info. Thanks in advance.

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Marco keeps an extremely low profile - he always did - and was friendly with all crews and served various advisory roles for people for decades - all similar to Tony Accardo. Marco also adapted effectively - and when the changing of the guard finally came under Ferriola, Marco ran things quietly in Elmwood Park. He dodged a lot of arrests on things he had connections to - like Joe DiFronzo's marijuana growing fiasco.

I think he is the opposite of a guy like Giancana and probably has the business mind of Accardo - his restaurants were successful as were the various nightlife places he owned.

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^^^^

james marcello called infelice and ferriola on the family secrets wiretaps

told them the "doctor" wanted to meet them and carlisi showed up

i doubt ferriola was ever boss

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Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Marco keeps an extremely low profile - he always did - and was friendly with all crews and served various advisory roles for people for decades - all similar to Tony Accardo. Marco also adapted effectively - and when the changing of the guard finally came under Ferriola, Marco ran things quietly in Elmwood Park. He dodged a lot of arrests on things he had connections to - like Joe DiFronzo's marijuana growing fiasco.

I think he is the opposite of a guy like Giancana and probably has the business mind of Accardo - his restaurants were successful as were the various nightlife places he owned.

Thank you. I have one more question and I'll stop. I've tried to find information about the reputed Grand Ave. and Taylor St. rivalry, but I can't find anything that suggest a rivalry, related to Outfit business, existed. It may have, but I can't find any supporting data. What I've found Is quite the opposite. Both Accardo and Giancana worked with members of different crews and any problems that occurred didn't seem to be related to a specific crew, just the normal kinds of things that happen in a crime organization.

I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks again for taking time to respond.


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Regardless of whether or not Ferriola was ever the formal #1, he was undoubtedly th heaviest, most feared guy on the streets throughout the late 70s/early 80s, and he was in line to become #1 before he died

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Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117] #807114
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If Ferriola was a boss it was for a short time as his ticker started going to hell at some point in the mid-eighties. It's very likely that he rain Cicero until he died, although Infelise's power increased the sicker Ferriola got.


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I remember that article. It's laced top to bottom with complete nonsense. The Ferriola crew ran their rackets ruthlessly & Joe Nick was one of the most beloved guys in the history of Chicago's thing.

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