gary it wasn't a grand jury he was scheduled to appear in front of, but, a congressional committee in Washington behind closed doors. as was roselli. they were both murdered before testifying in Washington. if I have that wrong correct me.

I believe Roselli was murdered after testifying, although he was scheduled to do so a second time when he disappeared.

I believe It was a grand jury in Chicago because Chicago had jurisdiction. I'm sure he would have probably faced a congressional committee, just like Roselli because of the CIA connection. Roselli did testify and was also scheduled to testify again, but he was killed about a year after Giancana's murder. Roselli did testify before the Church Committee.

I'll recheck and get back to you.

snakes, youre right. he testified twice before the church committee. but, he was to testify in front of the house committee on the assassination of j.f.k. so was giancana. before roselli was to testify. giancana was murdered. then roselli turned up missing. neither testified before the house committee on the assassination. they were both murdered. my information comes from Wikipedia. I googled it. somebody didn't want them testifying. trafficante you think.......

It was the grand jury, Binnie. But one of the concerns of the Outfit was that Giancana would be called before a congressional committee like Roselli. No doubt he was headed that way.

I'll come back and post a link.

Here you go. Look at "mob set up hit."


http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1975/06/21/

no, gary, Wikipedia, says he was to appear before a senate committee shortly before he was murdered. im just going by that. google it and see what you come up with.

Yes, it does say Senate Committee. But there is a "clarification" note indicating more info is needed. He may have been scheduled for a Senate Committee at some later date, but according to the Tribune article, his next appearance was with the grand jury. Edward Hanrahan and David Schippers structured the immunity agreement that gave Giancana total immunity. He could only be prosecuted if he was caught in a lie.

ok, either way he was a goner, also someone posted that he said something to the effect that " ill never go to jail again " he no doubt alarmed the outfit. it makes no difference who gave butch the order, he outlived his usefulness.

Boy, you've brought up a good question. What would have happened if Giancana had been subpoenaed to appear before a Senate Committee? He could not be prosecuted, but would he have to answer questions before a congressional committee? His agreement was with the state of Illinois. I read that Giancana's immunity agreement was presented to several courts, maybe the Illinois Supreme Court ( not sure, maybe), before Hanrahan got the green light that it was legal. I'm wondering if Giancana's willingness to answer questions and immunity agreement would have kept him from being indicted. And if he's not indicted, i would venture to guess that his testimony would be sealed. Now how in the world would that be handled by a Senate Committee ? I'll work on this......may take a few days.

yes, gary find if he and roselli were subpoenaed before a congressional committee in Washington. if they were how does the timing fit into their murders. its quite confusing at the moment.

Nice info Binnie coll & Garymartin They would never leave him Alone the press and the G he was to big A story like a Movie Star And Full of Info Plus would he talk yes Or no maybe not ? i am sure if he had a chance he would of left the country Again .

Yeah I agree 100% - plus a lot of the guys down there stayed under the radar for years. LaPorte's protoge's like Frank "Cease" Zizzo, Palermo, Al Pilotto and the Tocco Brothers were very adept at keeping their names out of the papers.

Binnie - Giancana was appearing before a federal grand jury. He was scheduled for a fifth appearance when he was murdered. However, newspaper reports stated that he WAS, or had been, subpoena to appear before a congressional committee. Either he would be subpoenaed or the transcripts would be subpoenaed. The lawyers would have to battle it out. Apparently his immunity plea would require him to testify when necessary ( I'm not sure how this worked). What if Giancana appeared before a congressional committee and took the 5 th? He had immunity. As I said, something must have been worked-out requiring him to testify. I imagine the issue would have benn settled in court.

Here's another one. Why was Trafficante not granted immunity to testify? He appeared before The Congressional Committee On Assassinations ( or some committee) and pleaded the 5th on most questions. I've never understood why he wasn't offered immunity.

Roselli had been talking to the Feds since the early 70's. Some of his testimony resulted in a grand jury appearance for Accardo. As you might expect, this did not go over well. Accardo was overheard saying he would not forget what Roselli did.

But the most common theory is that Trafficante had Roselli killed. After Roselli and Giancana were eliminated, the only person left that was involved with the Castro deal was Trafficante. Kinda looks strange, but nothing has ever been proven relative to the govt's involvement in the deaths of these guys.

Accardo could have reached out to Trafficante to get someone to make the hit.

Absolutely. Just about anything was possible with these guys. Nobody was ever charged.

gary martin, yes, it all remains a mystery about the cia mafia plot against castro. and apparently it may have something to do with bobby and jack kennedy approving it. speculation has it that judy Campbell was the go-between with giancana and the president.

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Joey!!!

jake guzik, john torrio

Frank "The Breeze" Calabrese Sr. Good earner, stone killer and perfectly satisfield with his position under Angelo "The Hook" of the 26th Streetcrew.

If you believe what is written about the guy, I guess you would like a dozen of his caliber in your crew. Low key, money making with very limited career ambitions BUT as cold as they come. Of course the guy was a psycho but in terms of an effecive outfit guy I would say he was def up there with the best in Outfit history (of course on a much lower level than the likes of Accardo, Giancana, Doves, Cerone etc)

They should have sent him and not Spilotro to Las Vegas.

Roger that read the books about him really good family secrets

Can't think of even one "favorite" member. Too many scumbags. The Outfit crimes are among the most sadistic and violent in the American mafia history. In New York, they usually shoot you in the head and that's it. In Chicago, they hang you on a hook and torture you for days, or do all those sexual pervert stuff in the style of Mad Sam DeStefano, or have long "fun" before killing like with the burglars of Accardo's house. Or that pedophile son of Jake Guzik's (although I am not sure whether he was really associated with the outfit or was a criminal on his own).

what that about jake guzik son ?

he had a son? lol
i was thinking about picking accardo BUT then he could had his ruthless moments like when his house got robbed ya know? why'd you decide to pick up? rather than ricca?

Here is what I found:

http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/id139.htm




I think you misunderstood. I didn't pick Accardo as my favorite outfit member. As I said, I don't have even one because I hate them all: I can't find even one slightly likeable character in all the history of the Outfit. In the other families there were interesting characters like Harry Riccobene, Carlo Caputo, Willie Moretti, Jimmy Fratianno or even Joe Bonanno who, scumbags as they might have been, from the outside behavior might paradoxically make a likeable or funny impression. In the Chicago Outfit, I can't find even one such character.

Think about it, if he has immunity, then he has to talk, if not, he takes the fifth;
I have a theory on this time period, the MObsters were scared shitless of the cia,
You know that scene in the good Shepard, where the old school mobster talks to Matt Damon and says you guys are the ones that really scare me, you make the real wars?
The blanket denials on narcotics? Fbi, labor leaders like Sidney Hellman, if these people talked, it woulda put the country in a uproar...

He sure was Ruthless He Beat Guys To death with a base ball bat that how he got one of his nick names Joe Batters