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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: jipjones]
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10/15/14 05:01 AM
10/15/14 05:01 AM
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Sry to rant about Johnny Football still no matter wat u think about him. I tjink he got da shit end of the stick im starting to think mayb he should of waited another yr before he enter the draft.. With the browns schedule they could hav a winning season if they resign hoyer it wont be fair to Manziel to sit anothet season or 2 Im afraid Manziel is stuck there and in 2 to 3 yrs teams just look in the draft and mayb johnny doest evrr get his chance if they resign hoyer do u c teams like my bills mayb texans or whomever trying to make a move for him.. Or do u think he might get stuck in cleveland for now.. I felt it was exciting the night we drafted Manziel. But I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. Nobody forced him to leave college early. And while he's done nothing illegal like Ray Rice et. al., Manziel hasn't endeared himself to his teammates and coaches with his antics. Being repeatedly photographed partying and using rolled up dollar bills doesn't go over well for a blue-collar fanfase. And worse yet, this was time that Hoyer was using to learn the new offense and Manziel had the same opportunity. But Manziel squandered it. And I think more than anything, his ego is a bit bruised. He was THE big fish in college. Now he's a 2nd stringer holding a clipboard. Is this my way of saying Manziel can't play in this league? No. But he's going to have to wait. Whether it's with Cleveland will remain to be seen. If Hoyer stays healthy and maintains the same level of consistency, Manziel could have an Aaron Rodgers type of wait before being Cleveland's starter. In the NFL, players get hurt all the time so I think a 2-3 year wait is unlikely. Plus I don't see Manziel sitting by quietly if he isn't playing. I could see Manziel succeeding in a Chip Kelly type of offense. But he needs to put time in the film room and in learning to be an NFL QB. He's no longer one of the fastest players on the field. NFL defenses are infinitely more complex than in the NCAA.
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: BAM_233]
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10/16/14 10:30 AM
10/16/14 10:30 AM
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rockstar_man45
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Manziel will get his chance at some point. A guy like him needs to understand it ain't all about him especially at his age. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees all had to wait their turn before getting the starting job.
Now guys like Luck, Manning, Cam Newton, and Alex Smith were immediately thrusted into the spotlight because their teams at the time needed it. But Manziel was so heavily followed and touted on during college I think him taking the backseat for awhile isn't necessarily a bad thing. He was an arrogant douche at A&M so maybe he'll mellow out That is the biggest plus side to all of this, if he matures and with that talent he could do a lot in this league. One thing for sure though, I rather have him on my team then say Jameis Winston. Seems like college football players are more trouble than their worth these days. The amount of allegations surrounding that guy especially would be enough to downgrade his draft status significantly
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: olivant]
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10/16/14 11:42 AM
10/16/14 11:42 AM
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well, concerning manziel, lets face it, hes no Andrew luck, cam newton,russel Wilson. kaepernick, when did these guys sit on the bench. these 4 qbs have talent. what manziel did in college means squat. if he had the tools he would be leading that team right now. write him off.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: rockstar_man45]
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10/16/14 11:43 AM
10/16/14 11:43 AM
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Manziel will get his chance at some point. A guy like him needs to understand it ain't all about him especially at his age. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees all had to wait their turn before getting the starting job.
Now guys like Luck, Manning, Cam Newton, and Alex Smith were immediately thrusted into the spotlight because their teams at the time needed it. But Manziel was so heavily followed and touted on during college I think him taking the backseat for awhile isn't necessarily a bad thing. He was an arrogant douche at A&M so maybe he'll mellow out That is the biggest plus side to all of this, if he matures and with that talent he could do a lot in this league. One thing for sure though, I rather have him on my team then say Jameis Winston. Seems like college football players are more trouble than their worth these days. The amount of allegations surrounding that guy especially would be enough to downgrade his draft status significantly The NFL Players' Union was smart to put rookie salary caps to better control the payscale. That prevents knuckleheads from killing a team's salary cap. Ryan Leaf & Lawrence Phillips were two highly paid draftees who did absolutely nothing on the field to warrant their salaries. Now it's less risky from a financial perspective for a team to take a flyer on a player who was troublesome in college. Not that Manziel was, but certainly some team will take Jameis Winston and all of his antics next year. Buyer beware.
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: goombah]
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10/16/14 12:45 PM
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Manziel will get his chance at some point. A guy like him needs to understand it ain't all about him especially at his age. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees all had to wait their turn before getting the starting job.
Now guys like Luck, Manning, Cam Newton, and Alex Smith were immediately thrusted into the spotlight because their teams at the time needed it. But Manziel was so heavily followed and touted on during college I think him taking the backseat for awhile isn't necessarily a bad thing. He was an arrogant douche at A&M so maybe he'll mellow out That is the biggest plus side to all of this, if he matures and with that talent he could do a lot in this league. One thing for sure though, I rather have him on my team then say Jameis Winston. Seems like college football players are more trouble than their worth these days. The amount of allegations surrounding that guy especially would be enough to downgrade his draft status significantly The NFL Players' Union was smart to put rookie salary caps to better control the payscale. That prevents knuckleheads from killing a team's salary cap. Ryan Leaf & Lawrence Phillips were two highly paid draftees who did absolutely nothing on the field to warrant their salaries. Now it's less risky from a financial perspective for a team to take a flyer on a player who was troublesome in college. Not that Manziel was, but certainly some team will take Jameis Winston and all of his antics next year. Buyer beware. They most likely will, but not till the 2nd round or later.
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: goombah]
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10/16/14 01:03 PM
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Manziel will get his chance at some point. A guy like him needs to understand it ain't all about him especially at his age. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees all had to wait their turn before getting the starting job.
Now guys like Luck, Manning, Cam Newton, and Alex Smith were immediately thrusted into the spotlight because their teams at the time needed it. But Manziel was so heavily followed and touted on during college I think him taking the backseat for awhile isn't necessarily a bad thing. He was an arrogant douche at A&M so maybe he'll mellow out That is the biggest plus side to all of this, if he matures and with that talent he could do a lot in this league. One thing for sure though, I rather have him on my team then say Jameis Winston. Seems like college football players are more trouble than their worth these days. The amount of allegations surrounding that guy especially would be enough to downgrade his draft status significantly The NFL Players' Union was smart to put rookie salary caps to better control the payscale. That prevents knuckleheads from killing a team's salary cap. Ryan Leaf & Lawrence Phillips were two highly paid draftees who did absolutely nothing on the field to warrant their salaries. Now it's less risky from a financial perspective for a team to take a flyer on a player who was troublesome in college. Not that Manziel was, but certainly some team will take Jameis Winston and all of his antics next year. Buyer beware. I bet the Rams are kicking themselves for that deal they gave Sam Bradford. No rookie should get that kind of money. Thing is Bradford was doing decent before he got hurt last year. Now it looks like he'll never get that knee patched. My beef with major college athletes this days is that most think they're untouchable because they play fuckin football or whatever other sport. They behave horribly and don't care for the academic side of college that really leads to success. Because let's face it, how many people in a million actually make it in the NFL? Very few
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: olivant]
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10/18/14 10:57 AM
10/18/14 10:57 AM
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It was very satisfying watching the Browns kick the snot out of the Steelers yesterday. Time will tell if the Browns are starting to turn things around in Year #15 of their rebuilding program. I'm not holding my breath. From time to time the Steelers let the Browns win in order to create the illusion that the Brown's are competitive. Yeah, like when the Giants let the Eagles win 27-0. 
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: MaryCas]
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10/18/14 12:22 PM
10/18/14 12:22 PM
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It was very satisfying watching the Browns kick the snot out of the Steelers yesterday. Time will tell if the Browns are starting to turn things around in Year #15 of their rebuilding program. I'm not holding my breath. From time to time the Steelers let the Browns win in order to create the illusion that the Brown's are competitive. Yeah, like when the Giants let the Eagles win 27-0. Exactly. However, some teams are better at it than others.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: NFL 2014
[Re: goombah]
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10/18/14 04:40 PM
10/18/14 04:40 PM
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It was very satisfying watching the Browns kick the snot out of the Steelers yesterday. Time will tell if the Browns are starting to turn things around in Year #15 of their rebuilding program. I'm not holding my breath. They got their asses handed to them.
Dylan Matthew Moran born 10/30/12
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