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Something that bugs me .. . .
#8089
04/23/04 06:47 AM
04/23/04 06:47 AM
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ColinB
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I always thought it was just a film and not too get bogged down in the detail, but one thing that bothered me is the ending.
Michael has the heads of the 5 families killed and thereby "settles all family business"
Why should those hit gangs be subservient after that ? Were the Coleones (excuse spelling) subservient after Sonnys death (The affected leader) ? No way. Is not one of those gangs going to attempt some kind of revenge ? Of course they are, what kind of gangsters are they going to be otherwise.
I like the ending of the UK film The Long Good Friday when the gang leader (PLayed by Bob Hoskins) has the main players of the other side(the IRA) killed at a meeting at a racetrack. Then he thinks hes settled it, problem solved. Of course, at the end of the film when hes relaxed after his victory, he gets in a taxi. But the taxi speeds away, the drivers mate turns round and points a gub at him. Its the IRA, and hes had it. (The film ends there)
Colin B
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Re: Something that bugs me .. . .
#8090
04/23/04 11:53 AM
04/23/04 11:53 AM
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You're not wrong, Colin. In the film, Michael consolidated his power in New York by whacking the heads of four rival Mafia families, plus Moe Green, plus Carlo. But in the novel, Michael only whacked Philip Tattaglia and Barzini, plus Carlo, on the Day He Settled All Family Business. He evidently reached an accommodation with the two surviving NY Mafia Dons (he'd dispatched Moe Green previously). Why did the film deviate from the novel in this regard? Mainly to make for a far more dramatic conclusion through a surfeit of violence. Even so, we subsequently saw that Michael had no real peace. In a deleted scene, we hear from Neri that Fabrizio emigrated from Sicily to America "in 1956, sponsored by the Barzini Family." So even though Barzini was murdered in '55, his family apparently was intact and still making mischief against Michael. And, as we saw in GFII, the "olive oil business" that Michael had handed to Clemenza after the Great Massacre was now falling apart under Pentangeli.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Something that bugs me .. . .
#8094
04/29/04 04:39 PM
04/29/04 04:39 PM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,762 Anytown, USA
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Originally posted by Chancre: I think the greater implication was to send a message : The Corleones were [b]still capable of defending their territory.
Alot of people didn't have any faith in or respect for Michael due to his inexperience. This changed. [/b] You make an important point. We need to remember that in the book, Mike was viewed as "yellow" or weak by the other Families. Even in the movie, the line "Sollozzo knows he's a civilian" implies that Mike is not in the business, nor is he considered strong enough to be in the business. Why else would Sonny, Tessio & Clemenza all laugh at Michael's suggestion to kill McCluskey & Sollozzo? The view of Michael (before the Sollozzo murder) is that of a non-factor within the Family. This view is seen by the other Families, as well as Clemenza, Tessio, et. al. With Sonny dead and Vito ailing, the Corleone's were deemed vulnerable by their enemies. No one initially expected much out of Michael when he was given the power. Remember Tessio argued with Michael's decision not to recruit more men: "Mike, you're wrong." Therefore, the execution of the plan to kill the heads of the Five Families, Moe Green & Carlo was most likely a shock to the mob underworld. Obviously, they all knew who had ordered the killings since Michael was still alive. I think that they greatly underestimated his cunning & planning and realized that he was as intelligent (or maybe moreso) than Vito and that Michael was a forced to be reckoned with.
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Re: Something that bugs me .. . .
#8096
05/04/04 03:44 AM
05/04/04 03:44 AM
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Kevin Rooney
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Speaking of the Long Good Friday-hence the IRA, has anyone else seen the movie "Michael Collins" with Liam Neeson? For those who haven't, Collins was one of the founders of the IRA in the '20's. There is a part where he settles his country's business on a certain night that reminds me of the baptism sequence of GF1 like no other movie i've seen. The movie plays with a few facts but is mostly factual. This part particularly DID happen. GF fans who haven't seen it might want to check it out for this.
"Keep your friends close, your enemies-closer" - Michael Corleone, quoting Don Vito. "You're a smart lawyer, very smart-but don't get smart with me!" -Rocky Sullivan (Cagney) to Frazier (Bogart) in Angels with Dirty Faces
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Re: Something that bugs me .. . .
#8097
05/05/04 05:29 AM
05/05/04 05:29 AM
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The Hollywood Finochio
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Yes it is an excellent film
But we dont KNOW there wasnt any reprisals against Michael just because we didnt see it, and there is the question, how would they know for sure it was corleone? later on they would realise when they see all the other dons dead it must be him, but by then Michael had moved to Nevada. only clemenza was left in NY and you know what happened to him
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: Something that bugs me .. . .
#8098
05/05/04 10:09 AM
05/05/04 10:09 AM
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Posts: 129 Boston
Don'tForgetTheCannolis
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I would also like to mention that if you remeber when the Don was almost killed Tom said "if we lose the Old Man, we lose have our strenght, out political contacts etc." "if your pop dies sonny, make the deal" I think this was exactly what the other families did, by loseing there dons it was just as damaging as for the Corleones if they had lost Vito
"Take it easy"
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