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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: Tonytough]
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10/26/14 07:48 PM
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Sammy would never have made a move against Gotti. he himself admits this, after Frankie came to him with the proposal.
Like sammy says,' I made a list of all the guys I needed to kill in order to get away with it. I came up with 10, 12 guys. Some of them I really liked, like Gene. The thought of killing his son killed me. '
Sammy would never have generated the support to take over and I'll tell u why. Yes he had a tough crew but he was too GREEDY!!! The soldiers and capos liked Gotti as boss (not because they personally liked him) rather he wasn't greedy. And didn't demand a big cut. But with Sammy as boss, he'd sink his teeth into every money making scheme for himself and the other family members knew this.
All the people that have said Sammy would make a good boss are delusional. He would have made deals with the Chin worse than Paul did if it meant making more money! Thanks for replying TonyTough, Sammy Gravano was (and might still be) a very conflicted person. He is the type that will lie and believe his own lies. For him to say he would not have tried to kill Gotti, coming from him, that means nothing. Sammy is very unstable. We know Sammy has some kind of heart because we've seen him tear up on TV, but we know he has no morals because of his history. He is not proud to be a murderer...he might actually be ashamed of it, but I don't think he could stop killing on his own. I regard him as an impulsive killer that kills because he's compelled to. He might be addicted to killing, like people smoke cigarettes and can't stop. Oh, BTW, I think he whacked his business partners and took their wealth not only because of greed, but also because he was just a compulsive killer. It's naive to think that someone like Sammy would stop killing once he made enough money.
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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10/27/14 08:27 PM
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gotti might have beat that last case,and never died in jail, I don't know why gotti didn't smell that rat sooner. There's a a good case to be made that Gotti created Gravano as a rat. Lets all remember that Gotti was caught ON TAPE bad mouthing and BLAMING Gravano for the DiBernardo, Milito and Dibono hits. Now this is before the indictment. Gotti sanctioned EVERYONE of those hits and was caught dead to rights blaming Gravano for them. If you're UB and your BOSS sells you down the stream when then Feds have yet to knock on your door, its understandable to lose more than a little faith. Im not saying that justifies turning rat, but it sure as hell paints it in a different light... EDIT: Its not beyond reasonable to believe Gravano wouldve never ratted if not for Gotti's 'self-ratting' on those tapes. IE Gravano wouldve done his stretch if not for those tape's.
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: TommyD]
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10/28/14 04:04 AM
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He was smart in solidifying his power in the family by knocking guys down keeping guys close to him like jojo, John giordano
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: TommyD]
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10/28/14 06:34 AM
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I don't think he was a good boss. He had charm and according to other mobsters he was a good negotiator. Now, he had a vision to become boss much like Lucky Luciano - only Luciano didn't f*ck the family the way Gotti did. Gotti seemed to enjoy the public and wasn't very secrative - still hanging around in his social club, where he had been sitting for years before? - Also he put his idiot kid in as acting boss, and his much more idiot brother Peter...who tried to extort Steven Segal - remember that?
Gotti made a great story in the mafia lengeds tho.
If a guy fucking tripped over a banana peel, they'd bring me in for it.
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: TommyD]
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10/28/14 08:18 AM
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: Ted]
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10/28/14 09:18 AM
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Makes sense, SonnyBlackstein. Sammy said it was those tapes that made him decide to flip. That could of been a half-truth. It wasn't Gotti badmouthing him that made Gravano decide to flip, but that Gotti was caught on tape saying they were involved in the murders. He new he had to shot at seeing freedom and ratted. IIRC, Gravano in the 60 minutes interview he did (which is fantastic for people like us), said something along the lines of "If John had even one time apologized for what was on those tapes, I'd be doing life instead of sitting here right now". Maybe somebody can find the direct quote
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Re: Was John Gotti a good mob boss?
[Re: TheKillingJoke]
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10/28/14 10:49 AM
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Gotti made a great story in the mafia lengeds tho.
Yeah it's funny how young kids throughout the world that want to put up some kind of online cringe wannabe gangster facade always refer to him, one of the worst bosses in Gambino history. Now credit must be given when it's due: Gotti was memorable. None of the young kids today know who Carlo Gambino was, but they're all over Gotti. That's the point, though. It's NOT a good thing for the general public to know who you are. The Mafia gained power by staying in the shadows as much as possible (amongst many other reasons).
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
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