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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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11/23/14 11:44 AM
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@toodoped: that picture was taken after capone was released from prison, they called capone back to court in florida to find out when he will pay the rest of his taxes and that was abe explaining everything to him, I read nothing that says abe knew al before he went to prison, abe was ralph lawyer in the early 30's, he never represented al before alcatraz
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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@toodoped: that picture was taken after capone was released from prison, they called capone back to court in florida to find out when he will pay the rest of his taxes and that was abe explaining everything to him, I read nothing that says abe knew al before he went to prison, abe was ralph lawyer in the early 30's, he never represented al before alcatraz I checked the picture and looks like you r right about it.Its taken in 1941,thanks for clearing that up @thebigfella.You are right about their relationship before Alcatraz and maybe i should delete Abe from the list. But theres one old article from the LIFE magazine in 1951 which still gives me the doubts,quote "Ten years ago(meaning in 1941)Abraham enjoyed a good laught with his OLD friend and FORMER client Al Capone..." and also another newspaper article that says Abe had many underworld connections with top figures during the mid 30's.There also reports that Al's mother knew Abe since 1930.Also in 1932 Abe was ivolved in labor relations. Either way since theres no other hard evidence ill delete Abe from the list.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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Any sources in the book on Hot Springs? Just like to know before I buy it.
Sounds like O'Hare should be in the top men list. I think that the Raines book is a very good read and you should check it out. As for O'Hare being in the top man list,i think that its too much because he had only connections in the race tracks.Guys like Ralph or the Fischetti bros had their hands in every criminal enterprise
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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no jack mcgurn? he wasnt close to al i take it.
ma tongue hold life my belt hold death.
make em bite the dust when they hit the floor.
4-5 to there chest us folk from gangsterbb aint playing.
we smoke everyone in this b word like a hookah now.
stupid steve hit the corner shooting.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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10/06/15 08:19 AM
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Nice list Toodoped. But shouldn't Tony Capezio be on the list? He is on the list as contact man
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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Any sources in the book on Hot Springs? Just like to know before I buy it.
Sounds like O'Hare should be in the top men list. I think that the Raines book is a very good read and you should check it out. As for O'Hare being in the top man list,i think that its too much because he had only connections in the race tracks.Guys like Ralph or the Fischetti bros had their hands in every criminal enterprise My problem with Raines is it seems like he got most his info off wiki or along those lines.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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Giancan was old enough to be sought for questioning concerning the St Valentins Massacre in 1929. This would lead me to believe the police considered him to be connected to Capone. The 42 gang wasn't connected to Capone mob until 1932. Before that they were "hired" by numerous other gangsters such as the Gennas, Jack Zuta or the Aiellos. During the mid 1930's, one of the first members that was "made" into the Capone mob or the newly formed Chicago Outfit, was Sam Battaglia and maybe Louis Fratto if we consider him also a member or at least associate to the 42's since they all grew up in the same area. According to informants Giancana was “made” just prior to going to prison in 1939, so i don't believe that he had any connections to the old Capone mob in the late 1920's. He was 21 years old at the time and there's no hard evidence that he was a member.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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It's too bad that this Patrick McCullough never came back to the forum, but I think that by claiming his father was a relatively obscure figure it suggests he was credible. Hello ,my name is Patrick McCullough.My dad was Big Bob McCullough who started Al when Johnnie Torrio asked my dad to show him around .My Dad was with Johnnie after he left the black hand gang.my dad and Al hit it off and were best friends till the day Al passed on his estate on palm Island in Miami Beach.Al liked the fame ,my dad took care of business.and would hide out in Cedar Lake Ind about 10 miles from Crown Point .When Dillinger got arrested they held him in Crown Point jail where he carved a gun out of soap to excape.Two things wrong with story .1) what did he use to carve a huge bar of soap with...empty cell and 2) what did he use to dye the soap with to make it black.the Truth is my dad knrew all the cops in that area and bribed them with 10,000 dollars with the comment of...I don't care what you say on how he got awayu but I want him with me and Al at Sportsman tomorrowMy Dad was one of the shooters of St Valentines day..Exact words was damn guys cant'shoot and get the job done right .Many outer facts from union elections to when he a Nitti went to Hollywood to take it over .Extorted a million from a producer who went to Washington .Frank got indicted ,my dad didn't .Frank killed himself because he didn't want to go back to jail.He commented on the safe opening telling them we didn't need anyhidden staircases or vaults....WE OWNED CHICAGO..Never arrested or trialed for anything.Best friend was Ohare also .History has itall wrong..Could go on for days about this subject Here's some links about Robert Larry (Big Bob) McCullough: https://books.google.com/books?id=m5cbT_sNq9AC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=%22Robert+McCullough%22+Capone&source=bl&ots=OnmeoFLGvb&sig=ALw6peoD_FL9dn1QG3j5G_sHbqs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXo_iLuPnKAhUCt4MKHRGMAZoQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=%22Robert%20McCullough%22%20Capone&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=AfE1DZjVKEEC&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=%22Big+Bob+McCullough%22&source=bl&ots=cYwbUxdHhN&sig=w9ulJTo9XSZzHfAB2Noo80K8Jg4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiluP3EtvnKAhVFvIMKHUIZCJoQ6AEIKDAC#v=onepage&q=%22Big%20Bob%20McCullough%22&f=false http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1950/10/14/page/7/article/slaying-quizhttps://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal50-1378391http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1956/11/11/page/371/article/the-mob-goes-legithttps://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19890126&id=kpozAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=6274,3008033&hl=en
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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02/15/16 11:17 AM
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According to some sources, Capone was "made" by the New York Mafia, or to be exact, he was made by the Masseria clan.But since the Chicago Outfit (Nitti, Ricca, Mangano, Fischetti,D'Andrea, Ralph Capone)was born from the old Capone gang,which was a large gang or mob formed by mobsters from various ethnicites and city areas, because of that the crime group always had non-Italians as members of the organization.During the time period of 1933/34 until 1975/76 the Outfit had only elements of a Cosa Nostra type of organization such as the hirearchy and the flow and directions of illegal money within the crime group. But during the mid 1970's the Outfit transformed into a typical Italian crime organization with the secret ceremonies, rituals and such.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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02/15/16 01:57 PM
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during the mid 1970's the Outfit transformed into a typical Italian crime organization with the secret ceremonies, rituals and such. by mid 70s you mean as soon as aiuppa took over? At least thats what ive concluded for myself before. But some even doubt nicks testimony during family secrets about the ceremony
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Re: Capone's Empire 1925-1932
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during the mid 1970's the Outfit transformed into a typical Italian crime organization with the secret ceremonies, rituals and such. by mid 70s you mean as soon as aiuppa took over? At least thats what ive concluded for myself before. Yeah thats right. I dont know who or what influenced the bosses to make the Outfit more traditional, but i dont believe it was Aiuppa who made the decision by himself.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
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