I'll be honest. I have next to no clue about all these Sicilian clans, I doubt you're going to drop any Gambino names on here but do you mean they've always been tight with the Gambino brothers?

Someone raised this point the other day in the thread on Cefalu's cousin Big D being a big shot in a Montreal based construction company, you reckon that has ties to the Rizzuto's?

Cali' has always been tight with the Caruana-Cun treras in Sicily and Canada, and I believe has made a trip or two up to Montreal over the past year or two. That's really all I can say.

Bet he was under surveillance like when he got pinched in Italy. Surprised he didn't send someone else in this day and age.

thanks sonny , I'm inclined to believe u

Folks, good evening. Not sure if I'm in the right place -- I've been off writing crime novels for the past while (although I've been monitoring the site regularly). But this is about Rizzuto: Canada's National Post has a great story on-line -- going into print tomorrow -- by my friend and colleague on The Sixth Family, Adrian Humphreys. It goes to the tale of Rizzuto's man Joe Bravo, who was murdered in Palermo. Adrian just returned from the courthouse in Palermo with a pretty good story. Just FYI. (And if I'm in the wrong place with this ... ooops.) Lee

I am definitely interested to hear some new news regarding this. Haven't heard much since it happened. Isn't someone cooperating?

Recognize the name Lee and have read some of your stuff. Look forward to seeing what Adrian writes about this.

Carmela, is that really you in that picture???

That's Heidi Klum. Carmela's hotter. And much, much taller .

Here's the link to the article:

http://news.nationalpost.com/gangland-co...e-of-the-mafia/

@ Leelamothe, nice to see you're still around. I read your old posts on the other forum on the Rizzuto family. Very interesting. You guys should team up again to write a sequal of the Montreal war of the last decade. I'm sure there's still a lot to tell. The extra chapter added by Humphreys to the Sixth Family this year was very thin...

Is that you in your profile picture, back when you had hair? *insert smiley*

well that national post article kinda answerd all my questions about what happen up there. 1 last one what the hell was sal the iron worker thinking. he was probably playing both sides of the fence and him thinking since he was a inducted member he was untouchable he got that wrong. it goes back to the old rule you don't rob from the murder victims leave all there property with them even a rolex. the capo sonny red was buried with his cartier watch that a few grand. that guy trying to sell the rolex screwed up.

Good read about Fernandez dealings in Sicily and the circumstances of his murder but unfortunately has no detail of the evidence the order for murder came from Canada/Rizzuto. Maybe they will have more on it during that trial.

I have a full head of hair, Moe. Jet black, gray at the temples. I look like a middle aged Sonny Franzese. I've been pretending to be bald here for years to mask my identity. But there it is.

Yea I imagine that will come out. After Di Maulo these fools would have been ignorant to not choose the Rizzuto side. Joe Bravo not choosing a side much less not showing Rizzuto his respect definitely means the order came from Canada.

Man this story would be so much more interesting if they let Desjardins out on bail

On Sal Montagna I agree, he thought he was untouchable. He thought being a made Bonanno carried weight up there and obviously it didn't. He couldn't win, he had to team up with Di Maulo/Desjardins to take over but he had to have known they were NOT going to give up the power to him after the Rizzuto's were killed. No way they were going to take orders from him, an outsider. I guess some folks have to learn the hard way though.

Dixie dimaulo was the old guy in the driveway who went way back with rizzuto to the vilois days and probably inducted bonnano. Read he was rays d. Brother in-law wonder what he was thinking going against nick and Vito he been making money with them for decade s. Why turn on them at such a old age. He might have been a innocent but killed to send ray a message in jail. He wasn't hiding like the guy killed in mexico. Still nick Jr's murder was that the start. Did ray order that or was it nothing to do with the mass killing chaos.

Who's running that family now, haven't heard ?

Di Maulo was also with the Cotroni/Violi faction if I remember correctly and swapped to the Rizzuto's to stay alive so he has been known to go with whatever keeps him alive. I imagine after the Desjardins/Montagna power play he felt he had no choice but to go with his brother in law. Many folks at his age feel there is no reason to run or feel they are untouchable until he hit his knees in that driveway.

As for Nick Jr. I say it was one of two options, Desjardins or Montagna.

Montreal seems like a small place Dixie. Like sal vitals said 19 made guys I'm sure there's million associates or guys from over the lake but when galante came boss or front boss in 74 to 79 he new he had to beef up the crew up there. That's why I think he made Vito dimaulo Vito brother in-law the guy who disappeared. Galante had wat no other of the 5 families had a big crew in Canada aka the pipeline Joe bananas had before all. I'm surprised sales the iron would work with a French guy to take out other lcn guys unless someone in NYC told him OK. Like I said before seems like after galante okd the hit on violi all the guys fell into line for the next 30 yrs making loot and then threw it out the window the second Vito went to prison in USA. Renda was the brother in law there the hit list of the was and I think 10 15 yrs ago they were all best friends one big happy crew. Like Vito told vitale were all equal up here.

I don't believe Desjardins was behind the murder of Nick Rizzuto. Otherwise Nick could have already been killed as soon as 2007. There was nothing to gain for Desjardins to take out Nick. Desjardins as a French-Canadian, could have never taken over the Italian organization. He was already running his own things with his boys when Rizzuto was still alive. Montagna however, needed to take Nick out of the way to take over his organization. But it was mostly a symbolic murder as Nick had little power left. Montagna then likely wanted to take over everything in Montreal and regarded Desjardins as an obstacle. That is when he tried to take Desjardins out. For Desjardins it was kill or be killed and he took his changes. Bear in mind that the Cotroni organization was also at war with French-Canadians in the 1960s and 70s with bodies on both sides. This was when the Bonanno family's influence in Montreal was still strong.

Well it always seemed Vito made everyone think they were all equal but everyone knew who the defacto leader was there. Even Nick Sr. seemed to defer everything to Vito at that point.

As for the hits Montagna still thought he ran the Bonanno's at that point I imagine so I doubt they got an OK from anyone. For him to go up there to Montreal and tell Nick Sr. he was finished showed he thought he was the top dog and shows how stupid he was to think Montreal would fall in line behind him. Even though he was a Canadian citizen he was still an outsider to them.