That's okay, Mikey. Because you're very up front about it. Ask whatever the Hell you want .

he was a jockey . i have a picture of him in the winners circle..wrong thread ,sorry

Thanks pb appreciate that. I definitely dont mean to be annoying just curious and starting to read about oc.

Take this with a grain of salt if you choose.,my uncle knew Tino very well. He was older than Tino but nonetheless, was with him a lot. My uncle was NOT a mobster although many of his friends were. He loved the card games at the clubs and loved the track.
Tino was cold as fuckin ice and a killer as many of you know. However, he was not an out of control killer. If Tino was told to kill you, he did it . If he thought for a second that there was a 1 and a million chance you would be a witness in another life, you were dead. Jersey had some very serious crews in the 1970's and 1980's. The west side guys in newark were under Andy Gerardo, then you had the Lodi crew, the jersey city crew, and another one that escapes me.

There is very little doubt that the Westside has set up shot in south jerz and philly

In traditional gambling and sharking biz . But I also heard from a good source that they have some garbage down there too .

That one thing that sets WS apart , they take over territory and businesses anywhere and have no fear of expanding .

Makes we laugh when people say LCN is dead , then I walk outside my office on Wall Street a little and see a certain GC listed on a big sky scraper project . Not to mention all the legit biz they have in JC .

Most of these fams are much weaker , but not all , however they all got smart about no violence and disinformation on who runs things .