Franzese and Conte were, not sure about Stevie.

He was 100%. His dad Nino was a Captain at the time then was Underboss for a brief period.

Only reason I expressed doubt about Patsy was because he would have been only 24 at the oldest in the 40's - extremely young even for back then and even considering his old man was a big wheel in the family.

Tons of guys in they're twenties were made back in the 30's and 40's, LCN were more selective when the books re-opened and they wouldn't make as many youngsters IMO.

Gotta take issue with you there Tommy.

"Tuns of guys"? No way. Unless directly related by blood you were NOT getting made in your 20's and EXTREMELY rare in your 30's.

This was a time when Italian Americans were THE poor ethnic group and crime amongst them was rampant due to their socio-economic standing. The pickings for families of who to induct were vast and unless the families had 500+ members (which obv they didn't) you WERENT getting your button young.

Unless your dad was a big, big guy.

Both Benny Mangano and Cirillo were made in the 1970s.



1976 or 1977.



Correct. All three made in the 1950s.



Franzese was made a captain in 1962.

Only a handful guys were made with the NY Families in 1940s. And most of them were NJ based.

HairyKnuckles, I was told Benny Mangano was made way before the 1970's.

Early 80"s.... Vince really was on the fence with this one...Only agreed because Benny pushed to have jb made !!

Source?

Well, we have to stick by what we know and not stray away from what is documented. Several informants, Valachi included, said the books were closed in early 1930s and reopened in early 1950s. Still, some guys were let in. Ralph Salerno (NYCPD expert on LCN) is of this opinion. And Bill Bonanno said although the books were closed "handful of guys were let in". How much is a handful? 10? 20? We don´t know. The only documentation we´ve got is Gyp DeCarlo admittingly saying (he was being tape recordered) that he, Boiardo, Catena and other Jersey guys were made in or around 1947. There really is no other documentation, at least not to my knowledge, we can lean on. And there is absolutely no evidence saying tons of guys were being made in the 1940s.

Great thread and good info HK!

I believe at least one FBI source said Genovses members Al Ross and Patsy Erra were allegedly inducted during the 1940s. If this is accurate, it's likely there were more inductees during this period.

(Mind you, the source could have been confused about the dates and the real induction date was early 1950s which we know members were being inducted.)

As for when Mangano and Cirillo were inducted, Valachi is a pretty reliable source about the Genovese Crime Family membership in 1963 and he never included them on his list of members(as far as I can recall).

Besides Quiet Dom was a protege of the Pagano Bros who were only just made themselves before the books were closed.

Agreed on all accounts. Just for the record though, I´m not disputing the fact that new recruits were made in the 1940s. But they were not many of them. It was later, in the 1950s, the five Families made tons of them.

Regarding Al Ross and Patsy Erra, I think I´ve seen that document. It said that the two of them were given contracts and promises of getting made. But somehow the two of them managed to botch the hit. They were made anyway because they were very much liked by the higher ups.

Cirillo was sponsered by Joseph Pagano in 1976. This may explain Cirillo´s closeness to Pagano´s son Danny.

@ Zavattoni, I know that you´ve been told that Mangano was made way before the 1970s. I have read this thread from the top. My info however is that he was made in 1972. Let´s just agree to disagree.

Checking Erra's FBI file might help to clear up things. It looks to me that he was sharing confidential information with the FBI before his death. Perhaps he sheds light on the Genovese Family policy about new recruits in the 1940s. Best regards, Ed

Great thread

According to the Cafaro senate disposition Salerno was a soldier in 1952. As in made.

For those keeping score.

Albert Gallo. Punchy illiano franzese persico.
migliore furnari
Grammuata conte locascio
Not sure about genovese. Don't know exactly
When books were closed and they could have
Been made when books were closed. Supposedly
Gerry Lang was made when books were closed

Anthony casso and vic amuso were made in spring of 1974..casso was 32.christie tick in 1962,nino gaggi 1960..it's a shock to me that anthony spero was made in 1977,he was around 50.

Where did you learn that may I ask?

Not a criticism, Im unaware when he was made but assumed before then.

Geez...how many times does this need to be repeated? Albert Gallo and Punchy were both made in 1976 or 1977. Both of them switched their affiliations after the Joey Gallo hit and were probably proposed by Toddo Marino or Gigante. This is not a personal attack on you Christy, but I´m sick and tired of having to explain this all the time. Welcome to the boards.

Jerry Lang was made in 1976. Don´t believe his wiki page saying he was "sneaked in" in 1960s or whatever. No such thing somebody being "sneaked in". It doesn´t work that way. Vito Genovese was made in the 1920s, his brother Mike in the 1950s (possibly 1954).



What is your source on Furnari being made in 1962, Gaggi in 1960? I don´t know if you´ve read this thread from the top or just spontaniously posted what hastlily crossed your mind, but the books were closed in the 1960s.

Spero was 48 when made. Why is that sucha shocker? Many guys where mde in their 50s. Al Embarrato was 66. Joe Gentile was 69!

EDIT - Christy, I retract the welcome. Just noticed you have posted before under a different alias.

Yes dominick montiglio sad that his unce was made in 1960 after the james squiliante hit,that's in the murder machine..not to sure about christie tick,but i read that also i wouldn't make it up..casso was made in 74,in that time the books were closed.explain that.

The Casso info on being made in 1974 comes from Philip Carlo´s dreadful book. A major part of it should not be taken seriously. Casso was made in 1976, this according to FBI documents. I´m sure you are not making stuff up. I just read Furnari´s wiki page and there is a reference of him being made in 1962. You probably got it from there. But the reference is unsourced. Don´t automatically believe stuff to be true just because it´s on MafiaWiki, especially if it´s something that can not be traced back to a reliable source.

Ok no problem,so non of the lucchesse's were made in 1974 when tony corallo came to power?i tought they made some guys in'74 and that casso was one of them..what's up with carlo why would he make things up?? when was then christie made?

In 1972, the five Families were allowed to make two new guys each. Off the top of my head, the Gambinos made Tommy Gambino; the Colombos made Allie "Boy" Persico and possibly Chubby Rosillo; the Genoveses made Benny Mangano (possibly). In 1974 they made Vincent Cafaro, Patsy Genese and possibly Tino Fiumara. I don´t know who the Luccheses made (and if they did). But in any case, Casso was not one of them.

Furnari was probably made in the late 1950s, before the books were closed.

Yes that's what i read somewhere,so you think that casso was not one of them,that has more logic than casso being made at 30.who was the other gambino guy being made?

I read somewhere that Daniel Marino was made in the 1960's because of his close association with his Uncle, Carmine Lombardozzi. Is this true? Marino would have been in his 20's.

Don't forget Nick Bianco Hairy, remember we both found a source that Patriarca got him made in New York in the 60's even though the books were closed.

That's unlikely. Lombardozzi was out of favour with the Gambino Family hierarchy for much of the 1960s for various misdeeds. Marino was also implicated in the attack on the FBI agent which soured Carlo Gambino on the Lombardozzi crew.

He died two years ago and not really heard of, but Daniel Cilenti was made in the Genovese Crime Family in 1947. He was always a low level soldier, until he died in 2012. This means he was a soldier for at least 65 years.

PB, Do you know about this guy?

So he was made when he was 19....Does anybody know who and at what age the youngest guy was to ever be inducted into a family?