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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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12/10/14 07:02 PM
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Yes, it's been proven effective. Good enough for them, good enough for us. And not only do I advocate their torture, I'm all for stripping them of any conveniences at places like Guantanemo.
I think it's absurd---I repeat that, it's fucking absurd---that we have to provide them with prayer mats, and copies of the Koran, and Muslim friendly foods. If it was up to me they'd be tortured (really tortured, water boarding ain't shit), and starved to the point where they'd gladly accept a meal of bacon at every meal. If they don't like it, let them starve to death.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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12/10/14 08:06 PM
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I think it's absurd---I repeat that, it's fucking absurd---that we have to provide them with prayer mats, and copies of the Koran, and Muslim friendly foods. If it was up to me they'd be tortured (really tortured, water boarding ain't shit), and starved to the point where they'd gladly accept a meal of bacon at every meal. If they don't like it, let them starve to death. A few years ago I would have thought pb's ideas were too extreme. Now, I believe them to be just. Years ago I would have said we need to treat these prisoners fairly because we want our citizens being held prisoner by them to be treated fairly. Well, a few be-headings and a few years later I realize we are at war. It may not be a declared war, but make no mistake about it, we're fighting a war. That means the gloves come off. One fights to win. No such thing as 'fair fighting'. You annihilate your enemy. To hell with the idea that this makes us no better than them. War is hell. 
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: SC]
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12/10/14 08:21 PM
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I think it's absurd---I repeat that, it's fucking absurd---that we have to provide them with prayer mats, and copies of the Koran, and Muslim friendly foods. If it was up to me they'd be tortured (really tortured, water boarding ain't shit), and starved to the point where they'd gladly accept a meal of bacon at every meal. If they don't like it, let them starve to death. A few years ago I would have thought pb's ideas were too extreme. Now, I believe them to be just. You know me for close to ten years now, SC. And up until a few years ago, PB would have thought that PB's ideas were too extreme. I was a registered Democrat for thirty years, and liberal on more than a few social issues. That I could go this far the other way speaks volumes about the state of American politics, ESPECIALLY where pandering to Muslims is concerned. Fire with fire, brother. Them or us. Fuck them.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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12/10/14 08:32 PM
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Obama clips these guys all the time. Is keeping them up with loud music or pouring water on their faces really worse?
Fuck all these guys. They are animals. They deserve fates worse than the CIA can give them.
Last edited by LittleNicky; 12/10/14 08:33 PM.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: Footreads]
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12/11/14 04:04 AM
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I think if you really want to torture someone let them know that their families will die the same way if they don't spill the beans. If they still won't bring some family members and show them that your not kidding. Do you really think they care?? They are godless souls. They are prepared to die for their cause. We are facing a tougher enemy than we've ever fought before. You have to kill them, you have to kill their families, you have to kill their neighbors and their friends and their friends' families. The only thing they understand is violence. You have to become them to beat them.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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12/11/14 12:33 PM
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It's good to see that most here (some I would least suspect) see the light. It's just too bad we have liberal politicians like Feinstein and others trying to make political hay by releasing this clearly partisan and one-sided report. But it's typical liberal thinking that's entirely based on moral relativism and leads to calling the good guys "bad" and the bad guys "good."
Anyway, in answer to the original post, no it's not torture. And hell yes it's justified. They were saying on the radio yesterday how some military personnel undergo waterboarding as part of their training. And the CIA only used it on a limited basis with a handful of top Al-Qaeda figures who it was believed had knowledge about attacks still in the works. That this is even a discussion it's no wonder Muslim extremists think the West is soft. The statement released by Feinstein made me want to vomit. And of course the goddamn Huffington Post (which I was just reading) posts it on their website then has a list of reactions below from prominent politicians. Out of the 16 presented, 14 were your run of the mill liberal lefty Democrats and only 2 were Republicans. And as usual the Dems were in complete and utter horror and while McConnell and Rubio called out the report as biased and a slap in the face to our veterans who fought in the Middle East. I'm not saying I always align with the GOP, but some of these Senators have to be either ignorant or just plain stupid. Civil Rights and good conduct mean nothing to these people, the people we detain would cut off their heads and kill their families if they could. The CIA isn't the Salvation Army by any means, but in this case I have no problem with what they did. When it comes to the security of this nation, take no chances and these assholes in Washington are taking a big roll of the dice by releasing this report. I hope the people at our embassies stay safe.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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12/11/14 01:44 PM
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It's good to see that most here (some I would least suspect) see the light. You're wearing them down, Ivy. Before you know it they'll be supporting the Second Amendment  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: oldschool3]
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12/11/14 03:11 PM
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Enhanced interrogation has been signed off on by the last two administration's DOJ, yet the Senate Demo-brats have seen fit to expose our CIA people, not to mention our State Dept. people abroad to greatly increased danger. I could give a damn less what our intelligence ops do to terrorists...as far as I'm aware, they have yet to decapitate one of those animals...and wouldn't care if they did. Where has America's collective testosterone gone...we have been so co-opted by the far left to the point that the middle now appears to be the far right. Haven't you been paying attention, Old School? There are more important things going on in America today. Like hands up play dead at Columbia University  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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12/11/14 03:29 PM
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Haven't you been paying attention, Old School? There are more important things going on in America today. Like hands up play dead at Columbia University  . I've been wondering why no one at my old alma mater LSU has yet to play dead.....I guess we common southern folk don't have the organization and manpower to muster that kind of a statement (emphasize southern dialect if you will).... 
"What are you cacklin' hens cluckin' about?!?!"
"Is that him?!? With the sombrero on?!?"
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: LaLouisiane]
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12/11/14 06:28 PM
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Sadly, the story will never change. These fanatical cells will pop up like whack a moles because they rarely receive the same injustices they committed against others of a different religion or skin tone.
When I was on tour, we had to follow Geneva Laws to a Tee, and these "Mooslims" were hiding behind civilians, beheading people, and running a muck.
To defeat the enemy one must adapt to the enemies methods. That would ultimately lead to us committing the same level of violence towards them as they have towards us. AKA you behead one of ours, we behead ten of yours.
Of course this will never happen because the media and its presence has altered the nature of war so drastically that a straight and narrow line must be walked by the military at all times of conflict.
Yep and we continue to give these bastards everything on a silver platter. Fuck them. Playing the nice guy gets us stuff like Korea and Vietnam. Doing what we have to do gave us WWI and WWII and even the Civil War. Did I agree with things like Sherman's March? No, but it stopped the war and stopped millions of others from dying too. They did what they had to do to stop the war. We should use those same tactics today. Waterboarding should be the least of our worries. If you are a proven terrorist then they should be able to do with you what they wish. I agree with PB they should feed those bastards bacon and everything else they don't eat. You don't get to pick your food in prison, so they shouldn't be able to pick theirs in great ol Cuba either. If they don't want to eat then that is their fault..
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: LaLouisiane]
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12/11/14 06:29 PM
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Haven't you been paying attention, Old School? There are more important things going on in America today. Like hands up play dead at Columbia University  . I've been wondering why no one at my old alma mater LSU has yet to play dead.....I guess we common southern folk don't have the organization and manpower to muster that kind of a statement (emphasize southern dialect if you will).... They had a small march here in town the other night screaming the same shit. I still wonder why they scream that when Brown never even said it? Freaking morons...
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Re: the united states torture or not?
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12/12/14 03:27 AM
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Haven't you been paying attention, Old School? There are more important things going on in America today. Like hands up play dead at Columbia University  . I've been wondering why no one at my old alma mater LSU has yet to play dead.....I guess we common southern folk don't have the organization and manpower to muster that kind of a statement (emphasize southern dialect if you will).... They had a small march here in town the other night screaming the same shit. I still wonder why they scream that when Brown never even said it? Freaking morons... This is because at least 50% of this country have brains of mush and all they know of politics/world events is what they read on a bumper sticker or from that wise old sage John Stewart.
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Re: the united states torture or not?
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Haven't you been paying attention, Old School? There are more important things going on in America today. Like hands up play dead at Columbia University  . I've been wondering why no one at my old alma mater LSU has yet to play dead.....I guess we common southern folk don't have the organization and manpower to muster that kind of a statement (emphasize southern dialect if you will).... They had a small march here in town the other night screaming the same shit. I still wonder why they scream that when Brown never even said it? Freaking morons... Make sure they keep that protesting in the city limits if you pass through Butler, I have a lease I need to keep up 
"What are you cacklin' hens cluckin' about?!?!"
"Is that him?!? With the sombrero on?!?"
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Re: the united states torture or not?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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