I forgot about that one while I was thinking about what mob books to get for Christmas.

lets say who the most powerfull non made guy alive today is. Michael persico? maybe Brooklyn royal family give him his button already. we heard from all the rats his word is the law, llike chins kid. wonder why chins paramour kid is made but not his son Andrew maybe one has a little more balls but that must be weird.

But Greene had his own crew and wasn't an associate of the Cleveland family.

Chin didn't want his kids made; he preferred them to take legit jobs. If I remember correctly, he set Andrew up with that job on the shore after he got busted for relaying messages because he didn't want any more involvement with his kids in the life.

the chins daughter wrote a book about him.

That's right, Snakes. Vinny Esposito ended up with his button because he was the bastard and I think he felt that it would make him more like a "real" son. He pushed for it and Chin let it happen. There was no need for the kid to feel that way though. By all accounts, Chin treated him just like the rest of his kids.

He's inactive today, and he's still only in his forties, which tells you a lot. He's a good kid who never should have gotten involved. His father's name will carry weight in that family for as long as there's an American Mafia, so they cut him loose on good terms. He's still a big shot at SEBCO, though.

If Vince was half as crazy as that wacky bitch he would have died in the nuthouse instead of the pen.

How about Arnold rothstein,Lepke buchalter and jacob Shapiro?They were all jews but worked with the mob in some way or another.Would like to mebtion Chris Harvey Rose(chris demeo).Read the book.murder mach crazy mf

Oh yeah,nobody mentioned Dutch Shulz,favorite jewish gangster and mad man.He is number one on my list any day of the week.

I agree with them all, esp Lepke, but not Harvey.

Chris Harvey was a wannabe. I would even go so far as to say that if he had been Italian like Senter or Testa, that Gaggi wouldn't have given him up to the Colombians. He was expendable.

Dont know bout that Alfa,but the fact was that while he was alive he was a good earner and in with the italians.He was killed very young at the age of 28.In that short time he was very known and kind of a legend in that neighbourhood,you can ask anyone that lived in Canarsie.Belive me i have.He was big in cars and narcotics.As to why he was killed and was he expendable,thats another story.Anyway,he is worth mentionig,thats for sure.Atleast thats what i think.Sure,he cant be put up ther with lepke or Shulz,etc.

Nobody mentioned The Westies,tough bunch of guys.In some period of time they had a serbian boss Bosko The Yugo Radonjic.He was real tight with Gotti.Got him of on a charge one time.Never did time in us.Gravano was gonna testify agains him,but got caught with EX,So Yugo went free.Retrned to Serbia,died 10 years ago.A legend over here,in Serbia.

I gotta disagree... somebody was going to go down for that. Chris was the perfect sacrificial lamb.. not only that but all that was mostly his fault. Even if he was 100% Italian he was going down, not even Gaggi could have protected him.

Very true Malandrino.Somebody was going down for that.They killed Danny Grillo a year before that,but thats another story.Had nothing to do with drugs.

My vote is here!

Crazy SOB that almost required the help of the Genovese to take him out!

Don't know all that much about Greene and Cleveland but wasn't it an LA associate who took him out.

Ray Ferritto.LA and Cl,made guy.Known hitter..

From everything I've read and heard about Greene he was fearless, and he was obviously VERY powerful in Cleveland and the surrounding area. But the kind of power we're talking about here has to transcend your location. To mention Danny Greene or any of those mutts from the DeMeo crew in the same breath as Moe Dalitz or Meyer Lansky is crazy.

Am not crazy PB,just mentioned him as a non made type member.I wrote that he dosent even have a longshot of being even close to Moe Dalitz or Meyer.Allright buddy?

Of course, Alex. It wasn't even directed at anyone in particular. But when the thread was started, we were talking about guys like Lansky and Dalitz. And all of a sudden we're talking about Chris Rosenberg. That's quite a drop in class, that's all I'm saying.

Of course.It is a drop in class.

Was only an associate, was meant to get his button after the Greene hit but got arrested, then flipped.

He flipped only because the Cleveland mafia put out a hit on him after he did them the very nice deed of eliminating Greene. Amazingly, after a year in Witnesss Protection, he went back to Erie and resumed working his old territory and rackets

I would have to say Dutch Schultz was extremely powerful in NY, but no non-made guy could touch Lansky's power on a national or international scale...in fact, I don't know if any made guy of his era had his juice around the world...maybe Luciano?

I would have to say Morris Levy should be on the list. He was the owner of Roulette Records and had ties with the Genovese family. He was also connected to Sonny Franzese and Corky Vastola.

I didn't know he left witness protection but have you watched the crime inc series that was made in the early 80's? He's talking in the episode they did on Cleveland several times during the programme, he said he regretted ratting, it sounded like he genuinely meant it and was honest about everything he said, unlike most rats.

Did Lansky have any union pull himself?

Lepke.

Yes. In fact, the very first post that I ever made on this forum was on a mafia documentaries thread, and I recommended the 7-part Crime Inc series

yeah i Agree with binnie coll Murray humphries was the most powerful non made guy Ever

Without a doubt, Murray Humphries.