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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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I heard a story I think it was in Naples, some guy won big at a mob game (probably a poker game) and they kept putting off and delaying it while the guy asked incessantly about his winnings. Even after telling him to be patient (which meant to forget about it) he wanted his winnings so they finally sent somebody to break his leg or arm and give him a warning to stop asking for it. They made up some bullshit story about how he probably cheated on the game, so he's lucky to be alive. Finally they settled on some small percentage of the winnings (something like 10% I'm guessing) just go get him off their back.
Poor guy, I bet most of the money went to his hospital bills. Since bookies are a little more independent and their reputation matters, I think it might be a little different with the Cosa Nostra over there, although I wouldn't put it beneath them either doing something like this.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
[Re: DuesPaid]
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I will need to look it up but I think I remember Vinny Basciano and his guys robbing a guy who they knew was picking up his winnings at one of their sportsbook joints That's not true. Vinny would stick up a 7/11 to pay his gambling debts if he had to. He was a lot of things, but a beat wasn't one of them. You're probably thinking of the story where he allegedly borrowed money off Gerry Sciascia a few weeks before Sciascia got popped. But that was just a lucky break  . Back on topic: I've heard from some of the more informed Philly posters that Joey Merlino was famous for laying down on debts. But that's second hand and I don't know how true it is.
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
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I will need to look it up but I think I remember Vinny Basciano and his guys robbing a guy who they knew was picking up his winnings at one of their sportsbook joints That's not true. Vinny would stick up a 7/11 to pay his gambling debts if he had to. He was a lot of things, but a beat wasn't one of them. You're probably thinking of the story where he allegedly borrowed money off Gerry Sciascia a few weeks before Sciascia got popped. But that was just a lucky break  . Back on topic: I've heard from some of the more informed Philly posters that Joey Merlino was famous for laying down on debts. But that's second hand and I don't know how true it is. You're right PB. Joe would do that to a lot of people. Place bets and collect if he won and if he lost he would tell you to Fuck yourself. Some of his bookies working for him would do the same thing once he took over. It was a little before my time but this was around the early 90's or so, and it really Fucked things up on the street. Took years to recover, and it still may not have. People used to know where to place a bet and regardless they payed or collected like clockwork. Wasn't quite the same during that timeframe from what I understand.
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
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I will need to look it up but I think I remember Vinny Basciano and his guys robbing a guy who they knew was picking up his winnings at one of their sportsbook joints That's not true. Vinny would stick up a 7/11 to pay his gambling debts if he had to. He was a lot of things, but a beat wasn't one of them. You're probably thinking of the story where he allegedly borrowed money off Gerry Sciascia a few weeks before Sciascia got popped. But that was just a lucky break  . Back on topic: I've heard from some of the more informed Philly posters that Joey Merlino was famous for laying down on debts. But that's second hand and I don't know how true it is. Yes Sir, Very lucky. I remember what put me on that, Vinny Gorgeous by Anthony DeStefano. I had just recently read it, early in the book it describes one of Mr Bascianos arrests. Vinny was already managing a few betting rooms for Colangelo who went away November 1985 - David Nunez was making a drop at White Plains Rd. numbers place. He was dropping off a 15k payoff for someone who had a nice hit. The guy was shot three times and grazed in the head, he survived and id three men, Vinny Basciano, Anthony Donato and Patrick DeFillipo. Nunez id VB as the shooter. Now this is what the book says, I dont know if this was one of the establishments Basciano was managing but the author leads you from VB managing several numbers and betting rooms to this story. If you think this is not accurate or some bullshit, it would not surprise me and I would be more inclined to believe another source. The stories in these books are meant to sell books, the stories from the people who live around or with these people and live in these neigborhoods are more believable to me.
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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01/06/15 10:22 AM
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All true, also pretty often made guys borrow a ton of money (even if they don't need it) from the boss/underboss as a life insurance policy so they will be too valuable to kill.. I think Burton Kaplan did this with Gaspipe Casso.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
-Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
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01/06/15 11:23 AM
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this is my last post for a while but you guys have to stop the men of honor thing. its bullshit. 90% are SCUMBAGS that would rob you for a nickel while you tie your shoe lace.
and its another fucking dumb "general" question. what considers "mob"? associates? made guys? gosh theres over ten thousand in history. you think no one beat someone over a gambling debt? you think connected guys dont bet INTO non connected books then dare them to come collect? happens every year. the wolves are out. and trust me on this connected or not if a gambler is beating the number consistently and gets labeled "sharp" hes going to get kicked. and maybe, just maybe they will pay him. Perfect post.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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01/06/15 06:38 PM
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I am wondering if anyone has heard of the reverse happening?
The mob delaying someones winnings or, is unable and unwilling to pay out on someone who hit it BIG?
They killed a guy who had a winning numbers ticket in Newark years ago, I think it was the Lucchese family who killed him.
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Re: Gambling/Has mob ever welched?
[Re: TheRedZone]
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01/06/15 08:52 PM
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That's correct, after reading the OP again Joey's case does not apply. So what? If it's true, it still makes him a beat. Do you really think if Joey said to a bookmaker, fuck you I'm not paying you, that it would be beyond him to tell a player the same thing? You honor your debts or you don't. If a gambler doesn't pay a bookie, then if he's a bookie himself it's not beyond him to tell his players to fuck off, too.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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