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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: Turnbull]
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09/25/14 11:51 AM
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Another Wonder Winner from the Land of the World's Stupidest Criminals: A guy in a pickup gave a ride to a teenaged girl, but instead of driving her home, he turned into a forest trail and attempted to assault her. She got away and hid. Meanwhile, this idiot couldn't find his way out of the forest trail. So what does he do? He calls the Sheriff's Department and asks for emergency assistance!! Deputy shows up, tracking the guy's cell phone, and the girl jumps out of hiding and accuses him. Guy was arrested and couldn't make bail. Pleaded not guilty, and turned down a plea bargain at first. Was in jail for a couple of years. Finally took a plea bargain--judge sentenced him to time served in the county jail and put him on probation/counseling. A really lenient sentence around here. So, the idiot fails to make his probation visits. Goes back into jail.  It's not funny for the poor young girl, of course. But how can you not laugh at the stupidity?
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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11/30/14 08:40 AM
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That's very interesting, Oli. Now I know the libertarians are going to scream about a slippery slope here. But I personally think that if you threaten someone on the Internet with bodily harm that you should be held accountable. And I fully realize that 90 percent of the people making the threats are kids and/or bitter young adults living in their parents basements, but it's that ten percent that you have to look out for. If one person gets hurt after being threatened online, then the freedom of speech argument falls apart. I mean, if you threaten someone to their face there are legal consequences. This is a whole new world we live in. Threatening someone online shouldn't be handled any differently. My two cents.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: pizzaboy]
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12/03/14 09:54 AM
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Our local newspaper in this part of northern AZ often has stories about local or state police pulling over a driver on a minor traffic offense, then their drug sniffing dogs alert on pot, heroin or meth concealed in the cars. Often it looks like DWH (Driving While Hispanic), but just as many whites get nailed, too.
In today's paper, a middle-aged white guy was pulled over for "expired registration" (a postage-stamp-sized sticker on the license plate whose color changes from year to year); and a young white woman who "failed to signal a lane change" on an Interstate. In both cases, the K9's alerted, and the cops found felony quantities of meth and pot. I wonder what made the cops put the dogs on those cars.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: Turnbull]
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12/03/14 12:24 PM
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Our local newspaper in this part of northern AZ often has stories about local or state police pulling over a driver on a minor traffic offense, then their drug sniffing dogs alert on pot, heroin or meth concealed in the cars. Often it looks like DWH (Driving While Hispanic), but just as many whites get nailed, too.
In today's paper, a middle-aged white guy was pulled over for "expired registration" (a postage-stamp-sized sticker on the license plate whose color changes from year to year); and a young white woman who "failed to signal a lane change" on an Interstate. In both cases, the K9's alerted, and the cops found felony quantities of meth and pot. I wonder what made the cops put the dogs on those cars. Any claim to privacy for drivers is pretty much eroded. There is a legal fiction out there which holds that driving is a privilege, not a right. With that, the police have a broad ability to conduct warrantless searches on the most specious grounds.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: dontomasso]
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12/03/14 09:30 PM
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Our local newspaper in this part of northern AZ often has stories about local or state police pulling over a driver on a minor traffic offense, then their drug sniffing dogs alert on pot, heroin or meth concealed in the cars. Often it looks like DWH (Driving While Hispanic), but just as many whites get nailed, too.
In today's paper, a middle-aged white guy was pulled over for "expired registration" (a postage-stamp-sized sticker on the license plate whose color changes from year to year); and a young white woman who "failed to signal a lane change" on an Interstate. In both cases, the K9's alerted, and the cops found felony quantities of meth and pot. I wonder what made the cops put the dogs on those cars. Any claim to privacy for drivers is pretty much eroded. There is a legal fiction out there which holds that driving is a privilege, not a right. With that, the police have a broad ability to conduct warrantless searches on the most specious grounds. But should they? That sounds like an ability ripe for abuse in the hands of the wrong people. Not every cop out there does his/her job as they should.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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12/20/14 05:14 PM
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Thanks go out to the media, the leftists and race hustlers that essentially pushed a narrative of "cops are hunting black children" for the last two months. You really think you can make outrageous claims like that and not have people respond. Under your worldview this guy was completely justified if cops are really the white monsters you claim they are.
Their blood is on your hands.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: dontomasso]
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01/16/15 02:00 PM
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Our local newspaper in this part of northern AZ often has stories about local or state police pulling over a driver on a minor traffic offense, then their drug sniffing dogs alert on pot, heroin or meth concealed in the cars. Often it looks like DWH (Driving While Hispanic), but just as many whites get nailed, too.
In today's paper, a middle-aged white guy was pulled over for "expired registration" (a postage-stamp-sized sticker on the license plate whose color changes from year to year); and a young white woman who "failed to signal a lane change" on an Interstate. In both cases, the K9's alerted, and the cops found felony quantities of meth and pot. I wonder what made the cops put the dogs on those cars. Any claim to privacy for drivers is pretty much eroded. There is a legal fiction out there which holds that driving is a privilege, not a right. With that, the police have a broad ability to conduct warrantless searches on the most specious grounds. whatever happened to the 4th amendement? U.S. constitution amendment iv " the right of the people to be secure in their persons,houses, papers, and affects, against unreasonable searches, and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particulary describing the place to be searched,and the persons or things to be seized" according to the U.S. constitution, this amendment must apply to all searches, or they are not legal!
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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01/16/15 02:17 PM
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Our local newspaper in this part of northern AZ often has stories about local or state police pulling over a driver on a minor traffic offense, then their drug sniffing dogs alert on pot, heroin or meth concealed in the cars. Often it looks like DWH (Driving While Hispanic), but just as many whites get nailed, too.
In today's paper, a middle-aged white guy was pulled over for "expired registration" (a postage-stamp-sized sticker on the license plate whose color changes from year to year); and a young white woman who "failed to signal a lane change" on an Interstate. In both cases, the K9's alerted, and the cops found felony quantities of meth and pot. I wonder what made the cops put the dogs on those cars. Any claim to privacy for drivers is pretty much eroded. There is a legal fiction out there which holds that driving is a privilege, not a right. With that, the police have a broad ability to conduct warrantless searches on the most specious grounds. whatever happened to the 4th amendement? U.S. constitution amendment iv " the right of the people to be secure in their persons,houses, papers, and affects, against unreasonable searches, and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particulary describing the place to be searched,and the persons or things to be seized" according to the U.S. constitution, this amendment must apply to all searches, or they are not legal! Cops will use you being pulled over as an opportunity for a bigger bust like drugs or weapons and sometimes a civil forfeiture. If you are pulled over and they cop says "I smell marijuana", that is probable cause to search your car regardless if you have drugs on you or not. If they have no probable cause for a K9 unit or if you refuse a search and if nothing illegal is in plain sight, it is an illegal search and seizure. Anything they find should not hold up in court.
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The Dude: And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man. Walter Sobchak: You mean... beyond pacifism?
Walter Sobchak: This guy f*cking walks. I've never been so sure of anything in my entire life
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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01/16/15 02:38 PM
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." They will more than likely remove the State bans.
The Dude: And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man. Walter Sobchak: You mean... beyond pacifism?
Walter Sobchak: This guy f*cking walks. I've never been so sure of anything in my entire life
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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01/16/15 02:53 PM
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the dude abides 87, I think what you are saying is if a cop says," I smell pot" he has a reason to search your car. again, according to amendment 4 of the US constitution that is not a legal search. Yeah that is what I meant. If a cop says "I smell marijuana" they have probable cause to search your car. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Since marijuana is illegal if a cop smells it or sees a joint or a roach. Legally they have the right to search the car. If you had red or glossy eyes they have the right to do a field sobriety test but not to search you car
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Walter Sobchak: This guy f*cking walks. I've never been so sure of anything in my entire life
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Re: Crime & Justice
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01/16/15 03:24 PM
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If they have no probable cause for a K9 unit or if you refuse a search and if nothing illegal is in plain sight, it is an illegal search and seizure. Anything they find should not hold up in court.
That's not entirely true. A dog sniffing your car from the outside requires no probable cause greater than a legitimate traffic stop. It only becomes unreasonable if it materially lengthens the duration of the stop i.e. you have to stand around cooling your heels waiting for the dog to get there. Illinois v Caballes If that dog's training is up to snuff, the dog's alert is sufficient probable cause to rummage through your vehicle. Florida v Harris
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Re: Crime & Justice
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01/16/15 05:56 PM
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If they have no probable cause for a K9 unit or if you refuse a search and if nothing illegal is in plain sight, it is an illegal search and seizure. Anything they find should not hold up in court.
That's not entirely true. A dog sniffing your car from the outside requires no probable cause greater than a legitimate traffic stop. It only becomes unreasonable if it materially lengthens the duration of the stop i.e. you have to stand around cooling your heels waiting for the dog to get there. Illinois v Caballes If that dog's training is up to snuff, the dog's alert is sufficient probable cause to rummage through your vehicle. Florida v Harris Thank you for correcting me. That would explain why you see dogs at immigration and DUI checkpoints. I guess what it comes down to is, if they do not have probable cause what is an unreasonable amout of time
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Walter Sobchak: This guy f*cking walks. I've never been so sure of anything in my entire life
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Re: Crime & Justice
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01/16/15 06:26 PM
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If they have no probable cause for a K9 unit or if you refuse a search and if nothing illegal is in plain sight, it is an illegal search and seizure. Anything they find should not hold up in court.
That's not entirely true. A dog sniffing your car from the outside requires no probable cause greater than a legitimate traffic stop. It only becomes unreasonable if it materially lengthens the duration of the stop i.e. you have to stand around cooling your heels waiting for the dog to get there. Illinois v Caballes If that dog's training is up to snuff, the dog's alert is sufficient probable cause to rummage through your vehicle. Florida v Harris Thank you for correcting me. That would explain why you see dogs at immigration and DUI checkpoints. I guess what it comes down to is, if they do not have probable cause what is an unreasonable amout of time There is a separate Supreme Court case for checkpoints. Indiana v somebody or other. I'm not a lawyer or anything. I looked this up about a year ago to win an argument. I'm not sure on the time limit, but I imagine it's different if you're trying to beat a speeding ticket or get a trunk full of weed excluded.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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01/16/15 07:06 PM
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well then, I honestly believe that when Richard Nixon started his "war on drugs" in 1970. since then we have little by little lost some of our constitutional rights.
and I don't believe using dogs is a constitutional process. but, it makes no difference what we believe, they do it anyway, George bush is quoted as saying, "the constitution is a piece of paper" and most cops don't even know anything about the constitution.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Crime & Justice
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01/16/15 07:10 PM
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and most cops don't even know anything about the constitution. That makes them no different than ninety percent of American citizens  .
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