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Re: NFL 2014
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How is it that some teams such as the Steelers (which has had just 3 head coaches in 45 years) can achieve such success with little coaching changes, yet teams such as the Bills, and Cowboys, and Miami haven't? What is it? Is it the front office and ownership? For example, has Jerry Jones retarded the potential of the Cowboys? I am from outside of Pittsburgh but am a huge Dolphins fan. YES, the front office and the constant changes in GM, VP of Operations, President of a team affects everything. When a new GM comes in, a new coach usually does with his own staff. The players that are on the current roster were most likely drafted for a specific skill set on offense and defense, so when a philosophy changes, so do the results. The Rooney's, Bob Kraft in New England and Green Bay are typically competitive year in and year out..Why? Because they are not constantly firing people and staying true to their philosophy.
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Re: NFL 2014
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[quote=olivant]How is it that some teams such as the Steelers (which has had just 3 head coaches in 45 years) can achieve such success with little coaching changes, yet teams such as the Bills, and Cowboys, and Miami haven't? What is it? Is it the front office and ownership? For example, has Jerry Jones retarded the potential of the Cowboys? I am from outside of Pittsburgh but am a huge Dolphins fan. YES, the front office and the constant changes in GM, VP of Operations, President of a team affects everything. When a new GM comes in, a new coach usually does with his own staff. The players that are on the current roster were most likely drafted for a specific skill set on offense and defense, so when a philosophy changes, so do the results. The Rooney's, Bob Kraft in New England, Indy and Green Bay are typically competitive year in and year out..Why? Because they are not constantly firing people and staying true to their philosophy. It is a QB driven league and Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay have been fortunate to have Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Peyton, Andrew Luck and Tom Brady. Think about it.
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Re: NFL 2014
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In Buffalo, there has been no good successor to Jim Kelly. In Miami, we haven't found a QB until Tannehill came on board (who is the best porospect that we've ever had) and I believe they are on the rise with some depth on OL and some new LB's, and in Dallas, Jerry Jones is a lunatic who thinks he's a good GM.
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Re: NFL 2014
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In Buffalo, there has been no good successor to Jim Kelly. In Miami, we haven't found a QB until Tannehill came on board (who is the best porospect that we've ever had) and I believe they are on the rise with some depth on OL and some new LB's, and in Dallas, Jerry Jones is a lunatic who thinks he's a good GM. That's been a problem for many organizations. Usually there is a considerable period of wandering in the proverbial desert waiting for th next QB. Beside Buffalo, I would argue that Miami still hasn't found a consistent successor since Marino retired. The Browns have been in QB hell since 1993 when Kosar was unceremonously released. Pittsburgh was mediocre at best from Bradshaw to their current QB. The Raiders went about 20 years between Plunkett and Gannon. And I would argue that the Jets are still working on finding Joe Namath's replacement, 40 years later. The two exceptions that come to mind are in Indy going from Manning to Luck and when SF went from Montana to Steve Young. That type of good fortune happens once or twice in a generation.
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Re: NFL 2014
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Or from Favre to Rodgers. And I agree with you about Miami, but I will say as a fan that Tannehill has been our best prospect and has given the fans hope. They still need a few pieces, but they easily could have been 11-5 if they didn't lose in the final seconds to GB, DET and Denver...which they dominated the entire game until the closing minutes/seconds. They are on the rise "if" Tannehill continues getting better. He posted career highs with over 4000 yards passing, 27 TD's and 67% completion rate.
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Re: NFL 2014
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good to see someone agrees with me on jerry jones, the record speaks for itself, since he took over as GM what 17 yrs ago? with the exception of this year they have gone nowhere.
and they have no replacement for romo who is getting older and soon, won't be able to absorb those big hits anymore. yes, im sure that jerry jones after taking over as GM has ruined the cowboys.
next year will tell if romo is ever going to take them all the way, I don't see them going anywhere.
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Re: NFL 2014
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the hawks got lucky, they had to pull out a miracle today, 4 intereceptions, I fumble lost, the hawks got a break by recovering their on side kick, and winning the toss in overtime.
they can't play new England and expect to win giving the over 5 times, they are good, but, they lucked out today, new England has never looked better than they did today.
the super bowl is going to be a toss up.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: NFL 2014
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the hawks got lucky, they had to pull out a miracle today, 4 intereceptions, I fumble lost, the hawks got a break by recovering their on side kick, and winning the toss in overtime.
they can't play new England and expect to win giving the over 5 times, they are good, but, they lucked out today, new England has never looked better than they did today.
the super bowl is going to be a toss up. I agree with your assessment, but would add the following. Indy was one dimensional and NE exposed that weakness. Seattle played like garbage for 58 minutes & still won. Psychologically that gives them an edge IMO. If Wilson plays even halfway decent in the SB, they should win with that defense. I would love to be wrong but this could be another dominating Seattle performance.
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Re: NFL 2014
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all in all goombah is right, the seahawks played horrible, and when you get an on side kick, and win the toss, you are lucky.
bigboy... I keep remembering that this is the patriots 8th super bowl, seattles 2nd, brady has a running game now, but if seattle comes alive on their defense, it should be a great game.
I still say its a toss-up.
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Re: NFL 2014
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all in all goombah is right, the seahawks played horrible, and when you get an on side kick, and win the toss, you are lucky.
bigboy... I keep remembering that this is the patriots 8th super bowl, seattles 2nd, brady has a running game now, but if seattle comes alive on their defense, it should be a great game.
I still say its a toss-up. This is Seattle's 3rd Super Bowl, as they went to one with Mike Holmgren and Matt Hasselbeck. I agree, GB dominated most of the game, but as Seattle demonstrated, they have resilience and mental toughness to turn it on with 2:09 left in regulation. Keep in mind that Seattle beat GB during the regular season by 20 points. No matter who you play, it's always tough to play the same team twice in a season. I am from the school of thought that defense wins championships, not QB's. I think it will be a good game, but I'd like to see Seattle give Brady & Co a beatdown. Brady has a running game? At times they do, but that has been the most inconsistent part of their attack all season. Seattle's front 7 isn't Indy's front 7. If Manning was healthy, Denver's roster was way more talented than Indy and Indy's defense has been average at best "all season."
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Re: NFL 2014
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the hawks got lucky, they had to pull out a miracle today, 4 intereceptions, I fumble lost, the hawks got a break by recovering their on side kick, and winning the toss in overtime.
they can't play new England and expect to win giving the over 5 times, they are good, but, they lucked out today, new England has never looked better than they did today.
the super bowl is going to be a toss up. I agree with your assessment, but would add the following. Indy was one dimensional and NE exposed that weakness. Seattle played like garbage for 58 minutes & still won. Psychologically that gives them an edge IMO. If Wilson plays even halfway decent in the SB, they should win with that defense. I would love to be wrong but this could be another dominating Seattle performance. Seattle's defense was stout. They held Aaron Rodgers and Company to 5 FG's. GB has a better all around team than New England. Rodgers, Lacy, Cobb, Nelson, Adams. NE's skilled positions, only Gronk is better than Andrew Quarless of GB. IMO, the super bowl was played between SEA and GB
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Re: NFL 2014
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well, with Oscar, and goobah. im talking to the men who know football better than anyone on this site.
im not so sure new England is going to lose this one, just maybe, some weak parts of seattle [penalties, turnovers] have been exposed, GB ran on them pretty well, you give Rodgers two healthy legs, and the outcome of the seattle game could have been different. just saying............
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Re: NFL 2014
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all in all goombah is right, the seahawks played horrible, and when you get an on side kick, and win the toss, you are lucky.
bigboy... I keep remembering that this is the patriots 8th super bowl, seattles 2nd, brady has a running game now, but if seattle comes alive on their defense, it should be a great game.
I still say its a toss-up. This is Seattle's 3rd Super Bowl, as they went to one with Mike Holmgren and Matt Hasselbeck. I agree, GB dominated most of the game, but as Seattle demonstrated, they have resilience and mental toughness to turn it on with 2:09 left in regulation. Keep in mind that Seattle beat GB during the regular season by 20 points. No matter who you play, it's always tough to play the same team twice in a season. I am from the school of thought that defense wins championships, not QB's. I think it will be a good game, but I'd like to see Seattle give Brady & Co a beatdown. Brady has a running game? At times they do, but that has been the most inconsistent part of their attack all season. Seattle's front 7 isn't Indy's front 7. If Manning was healthy, Denver's roster was way more talented than Indy and Indy's defense has been average at best "all season." NE ran the ball twice in the 2nd half vs. Baltimore. They ran successfully against the Colts because Indy's run defense is softer than wet cardboard. I don't see NE having the same kind of success running the ball against Seattle. I think the league has shifted in the past 10 years. Defense does not always win championships. Look no further than the titles won by the Saints, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Colts, & Ravens. Those teams won with explosive offenses and serviceable-to-good defenses. Since 2007, I would say that the prime examples of defenses winning the title were the two Giants victories and last year's Seahawks team. What Seattle has been incredible at the past 2 months is not allowing TDs. Green Bay wins the game if they were able to score 7 instead of settling for 3 with just one of the 1st half takeaways. If the game is close heading into the 4th quarter, I would think the edge goes to Seattle because of two factors: 1) their defense and 2) any opponent's inability to tackle Lynch as the game wears on.
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Re: NFL 2014
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I'd watch out for the Patriots inflating their crotch area in the hope of displaying more manliness and testosterone. That can be very intimidating in a sport where intimidating your opponent can provide a psychological edge. Thats what I do.
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Re: NFL 2014
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all in all goombah is right, the seahawks played horrible, and when you get an on side kick, and win the toss, you are lucky.
bigboy... I keep remembering that this is the patriots 8th super bowl, seattles 2nd, brady has a running game now, but if seattle comes alive on their defense, it should be a great game.
I still say its a toss-up. This is Seattle's 3rd Super Bowl, as they went to one with Mike Holmgren and Matt Hasselbeck. I agree, GB dominated most of the game, but as Seattle demonstrated, they have resilience and mental toughness to turn it on with 2:09 left in regulation. Keep in mind that Seattle beat GB during the regular season by 20 points. No matter who you play, it's always tough to play the same team twice in a season. I am from the school of thought that defense wins championships, not QB's. I think it will be a good game, but I'd like to see Seattle give Brady & Co a beatdown. Brady has a running game? At times they do, but that has been the most inconsistent part of their attack all season. Seattle's front 7 isn't Indy's front 7. If Manning was healthy, Denver's roster was way more talented than Indy and Indy's defense has been average at best "all season." NE ran the ball twice in the 2nd half vs. Baltimore. They ran successfully against the Colts because Indy's run defense is softer than wet cardboard. I don't see NE having the same kind of success running the ball against Seattle. I think the league has shifted in the past 10 years. Defense does not always win championships. Look no further than the titles won by the Saints, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Colts, & Ravens. Those teams won with explosive offenses and serviceable-to-good defenses. Since 2007, I would say that the prime examples of defenses winning the title were the two Giants victories and last year's Seahawks team. What Seattle has been incredible at the past 2 months is not allowing TDs. Green Bay wins the game if they were able to score 7 instead of settling for 3 with just one of the 1st half takeaways. If the game is close heading into the 4th quarter, I would think the edge goes to Seattle because of two factors: 1) their defense and 2) any opponent's inability to tackle Lynch as the game wears on. All 3 of New England titles were won with Belichick defenses, Tom Brady at the early stage of his career managed the game and didn't turn it over. Pittsburgh's title with Cowher was won on defense, Big Ben was a second year QB who passed maybe 25 times per game "at most." Belichick will prepare well as will Carroll. Tom is salivating to get his 4th, even though he says all the right things and is a class at, he loves the attention and his ego is huge, otherwise he wouldn't have been in serious relationships or marriage with a Hollywood actress and a world renowned supermodel. SEA defense will have to play lights out to stop this freight train of a team. Wilson is equally as mentally strong as Tom. He's a leader, to play the way he did and just keep your team's focus when down that late in the game shows he's a true leader of men, and that's a trait that only the great ones typically possess. This is certainly going to be an interesting game. I'm pulling for the Hawks, but Brady needs to get pressured and harassed all day IMO.
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Re: NFL 2014
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good read, I read it all, actually the jury is still out. but. ive always said hes a dud, he starts a few games, and stinks up the joint again he will be a footnote in NFL history. The kid is an alcoholic/addict. Even his father said when he drinks he can't handle his alcohol. Reports out of Cleveland are that when a few coaches showed up at his apartment, he stunk like a brewery and looked like he had been out all night. It was a BAD pick by Cleveland, as they should have known that his style of play is NOT conducive to the NFL. Did you see New England's scouting report on him? Check this out: http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417
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