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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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01/21/15 06:04 PM
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So I'm just about finished with "American Desperado". I definitely recommend the book. It's entertaining. But I'm still very skeptical of some of Mr. Roberts' more outrageous stories. The author does try to find other sources for Jon's stories and he puts them in footnotes, but many of them he can't confirm and others are shaky at best. Like citing a police report or newspaper story that describes an incident that is vaguely similar to what Jon's story says but has no mention of Jon or anyone else. I mean I'm sure there was a police report of the Joey Gallo murder but that doesn't mean Frank Sheeran was the killer (as he claims in his book). But it's a fun book to read.
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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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So I'm just about finished with "American Desperado". I definitely recommend the book. It's entertaining. But I'm still very skeptical of some of Mr. Roberts' more outrageous stories. The author does try to find other sources for Jon's stories and he puts them in footnotes, but many of them he can't confirm and others are shaky at best. Like citing a police report or newspaper story that describes an incident that is vaguely similar to what Jon's story says but has no mention of Jon or anyone else. I mean I'm sure there was a police report of the Joey Gallo murder but that doesn't mean Frank Sheeran was the killer (as he claims in his book). But it's a fun book to read. But you see, the rest of us commenting on this thread finished the book already. I originally had the impression that you did also. Jon's account of his experiences in clubs is entirely credible on account of the parts of the book that quote the king of clubs at that time, Bradley Pierce.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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01/23/15 08:08 AM
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I think I'm gonna order that book. It does look appealing.
"My uncle(Nicky Scarfo) always told me, you have to use your brains in this thing, and you always have to use the gun." -"crazy" Phil Leonetti-
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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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01/23/15 09:45 AM
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A lot of what Roberts claims in American Desperado seems extremely exaggerated and far fetched, however the author did in fact dig into practically every story Jon told him and verifies them as fact at the bottom of a lot of the pages in the book quoting old friends, newspaper articles and such. This guy lived one helluva life I imagine that's why he wrote the book. A lot of the stuff is pretty wild.
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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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01/23/15 04:26 PM
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Jon Roberts claimed that Demeo crew member Borelli was the cousin of his long time girlfriend, Phyllis. So that might be one motivation to not kill Henry. Henry was "family". Really, I think he almost killed Henry by the way the book read. Henry needed to speak very carefully or he wasn't getting out of there alive. Jon had cops keeping watch outside the room and he had a silencer.
If Henry would've gotten whacked (by Jon), we would have had another mob murder to speculate on and everyone would've assumed someone in the mafia did it for either one reason or another. We would be creating threads here, on the BB, about that.
Jon never had proof Henry for sure was going to kill him. His nose simply went off because Henry appeared right at the moment he and Phyllis were having problems. And she had a history of threatening his life if she ever caught him messing around on her.
Probably Phyllis was the only person Jon was afraid of.
Now when you know your girlfriend's cousin is a serial killer and he shows up in Miami without calling you to say hi, yeah, sticking a gun up one of his nostrils might help clear the air a bit, sort of like getting all the cards on the table.
Police are the same way come to think of it. If you are a sex offender...you gotta register everywhere you live. Many times a career criminal will voluntarily go down to the local precinct to announce their presence to the local PD so that there are no misunderstandings.
So how Jon treated Henry is sort of completely rational and commonplace. He didn't need to kill his girlfriend's cousin since he had the Miami cops on his payroll watching out for him, not to mention his criminal colleagues. Henry would've been completely nuts (more nuts than he already was) to try and sneak down into Miami after getting a warning like that.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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01/23/15 07:11 PM
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This guy Roberts was such a bad ass?Gotta read that book.Me personally cant belive that Henry was scared and wanted to get in the good graces of Jon,but everything is posiblle. He wasn't that scared I don't think, I believe it was because Borelli realized he fucked up or something and then started seeing what Jon was saying. I don't remember over what except that it had to do with Phyllis.
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Re: Jon Roberts from Cocaine Cowboys
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Think about it. Jon supposedly had Henry and a cohort in the hotel room with the police keeping watch outside. Jon shoots Henry's partner in the knee to shut him up for being sassy. Jon makes his ultimatum to Henry and Henry shows Jon his throat, backing down from confrontation with a major major trafficker.
Next thing we know, Henry and Jon meet up again. Henry asks Jon to come with him to look in the trunk of his car. The guy Jon shot in the knee is in the trunk, whacked by Henry.
This story is believable because it's logical. You see, Henry had to kill the guy Jon shot in the knee so that he wouldn't squeal on him to the Mafia back in New York. Henry is not supposed to be hiding Jon's whereabouts from anyone. If the New York mafia heard from anywhere that Henry visited his "friend" Jon down in Miami, and Jon was a marked man to begin with, Henry would have been killed by the Demeo crew right away. So the guy had to go.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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