At the point a society no longer honors their own warriors, it is a guaranteed indicator you are living in a dying, failing civilization that has lost basic faith in itself and its purpose.

as the saying goes: To the victor goes the spoils.

The world itself is a big failure, fact proven by existence of such things as wars and warriors. It has always been like that, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. Humans are violent, but it doesn't mean it should be praised.
Maybe somebody likes seeng people having their heads blown off,and their intestines being knifed out of the body or things like gassings with chemical weapons, I don't, sorry.

A society honoring its warriors doesnt mean they like seeing people get killed. It is the fact that these people sacrifice their lifes for the people that can't defend themselves against violence whether it be an enemy soldier or a psycho killer.

Does it excuse the official who says he just "obeyed the order".

At the point a society no longer honors their own warriors, it is a guaranteed indicator you are living in a dying, failing civilization that has lost basic faith in itself and its purpose.

it started in Vietnam, when you had the president, and the generals lying to the people about the war. when the marines took a hill [hamburger hill] and lost 234 men ioo6 wounded, thought they won the battle, when they left the hill, 3 days later the cong took it back.

sign on a tree on the hill, after the marines left. "was it worth it" maybe you are too young to remember the time Vietnam vets went to Washington and threw their medals away. there was no front line, no objective, It was an idiotic war.

now we are friends with communist Vietnam, trading partners. with good relations, what was gained? 60.ooo dead, for what? the wars now? a sniper coming back bragging about his kills, he even re-enlists so he can kill more. its a volunteer army.

they are mercenaries, brave yes, but, what is the wars endgame? does anyone know? just like 50 years ago, wheres the front line. wheres the progress? where is the return for trillions of dollars spent?

and the biggest question of all. why let the muslims come here? this country is full of them.

and the biggest question of all. why let the muslims come here? this country is full of them.

and the biggest question of all. why let the muslims come here? this country is full of them.

The Muslim population in the US is not a big as most think, only about 1%. If they are law abiding citizens what is the problem with allowing a Muslim live here

nothing, we are the land of the free, however im a little wary of a lot of them, maybe I should not be, but I am.

I don't to have anything to say about that, feel free to shit on the Russian army, I have no objections. But saying the American army is less violent simply isn't true. Maybe YOUR group didn't rape anybody, but, just to avoid pontless going around the subject, please tell me ONE SIMPLE THING:
Do you agree with the My Lai massacre where WOMEN AND CHILDREN were killed by your beloved American army (to limit myself to one example) and especially, what do you think about the people who objected and exposed that being labeled as traitors? Tell me just that. If you agree that some of your compatriots acter like murderous scumbags AT LEAST IN THAT SPECIFIC CASE, I can believe you are a honorable soldier. If, not that's justifying child murder, so......

And please, don't tell me it was time ago, in 1968, and now we're in 2015. Crimes like that have no expiring limit.

As for Russia, say whatever you want. But I simply cannot stand people who say that whatever the armies of other countries do, the army of THEIR COUNTRY is genetically unable to commit such atrocities.

But I respect the fact that at least you believe that the American soldiers don't do that. There are people who are far worse: ones who gladly admit the crime and say it was a good thing, like dropping a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Killing civilians, babies including, is an ADEQUATE answer to killing soldiers in Pearl Harbor in your opinion?

Every country has skeletons in their closets, but while I think that my country should expose them, some people think it's better to hide them to save the honor of their countries.

To sum it up, I am honestly trying to understand what kind of soldier are you. Do you believe that some things are un-excusable even on the other side on the front line, or is it just statistics for you? Without offense, I don't want to turn this into personal attacks.

The atomic bombs were dropped because the calculations of Allied troops invading mainland Japan would have resulted in more deaths than the two bombs combined.

operation downfall. there was a great documentary on the history channel 10 or so years ago called "X-DAY, the invasion of japan". i forget the exact numbers, but it was something like 1 million projected allied casualties, not to mention the toll on both the japanese military and civilian populations.

And yeah, we also dropped them to put Russia in their place as a side note

The atomic bombs were dropped because the calculations of Allied troops invading mainland Japan would have resulted in more deaths than the two bombs combined. You don't believe me, look it up, thing called a history book. And yeah, we also dropped them to put Russia in their place as a side note (Sorry we tend to do that to you guys A LOT), but hey use it as your main line of defense to call us barbarians.

Two, you can claim rape by the American Army all you want, You weren't there, so I could really care less about the accusations you are throwing out about people you know nothing about. You have efficiently proved yourself to be ignorant and misled on this entire conversation by throwing out accusations that did not happen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Vietnam? Dude I'm 27, wasn't in Vietnam. Wasn't born when Vietnam happened and surely didn't serve in the army at that time. I am talking about the recent invasion and occupation of Iraq. Because earlier you were accusing us of Rape in the current war that just ended. STOP CHANGING YOUR STORY COMRADE!!! And for the record, no I do not agree with what happened in Vietnam. Those that raped and pillaged should have faced trial for war crimes. But once again I wasn't there nor alive at that time. Of course it is inexcusable to kill a woman and child, and I would never condone it.

You came on here calling soldiers no better than hitman. What do you know of the US armed forces? Honestly, you can quote Vietnam all you want but what do you know? You base your accusations because of what you claim to know of the corrupt crappy Russian army that falters and sputters every ten years then falls on its face.

I don't think any army is the problem it's scumbags like Putin and Obama who is fucking things up.

Do you agree?

operation downfall. there was a great documentary on the history channel 10 or so years ago called "X-DAY, the invasion of japan". i forget the exact numbers, but it was something like 1 million projected allied casualties, not to mention the toll on both the japanese military and civilian populations. there was a program put in place with manuals distributed to the japanese civilian population which gave them tips and tactics on how to ambush and stab allied servicemen to death with pointed bamboo spears, which i believe were also distributed. basically, a poor man's volkssturm, minus the panzerfaust and other quality weapons. on top of the countless lives saved on both sides, truman knew that it would have been disastrous, with political suicide being an understatement, if the american public found out that he had a way to end the war and chose not to!

That's really a good reason to justify murder of children, women and old people. No wonder that after talking to americans like you people start thinking (baselessly in reality, I hope) that American is the most arrogant and bloodthirsty nation on earth, right after some islamic groups. On the other hand, people like you don't care.


You are talking like the American army is perfect and less crappy than the Russian one. You don't even know how to talk civilly since you insult Russians as if they were all the same (and as if you knew a thing about Russia and were there even once) and think your opinion has any weight. If you really counted something, you would have more humility. 27 years old... I am 28, you're more or less the same age as me and talk like you were a generation older and were in a position to give me lessons.

And you claim you don't care about my accusations? Then stop reacting to them, or you contradict yourself. Go shoot somebody, it's all you soldiers know how to do.

Anyway, I should have known it. I tried to end it on a good (or at least neutral) note, but you military people only respect people who agree with the murders you commit, since a murder according to you isn't a murder if committed in name of patriotism. Great. Just great

People fundamentally misunderstand what war is. It's not a nice thing- its back to the state of nature- collateral damage, civilian slaughter, great suffering. It is back to nasty, brutish and short lives. But we try to put a good face on it with these ridiculous rules of engagement, the use of impersonal machinery, references to "international law" and the feel good shit about how we are helping peasants.

When you decide to enter conflict- you better add prolonged civilian slaughter and suffering to the moral calculation. And if that is too much for your sensibilities- then don't enter the conflict to begin with. I'm sick of this half-assed- we can both engage in warfare all over the place and simultaneously put a happy face and happy rules on a brutish situation.

By that standard, the last worthwhile war was probably WWII. And they didn't play by chickenshit rules- they firebombed dresden, executed SS when captured and nuked japan.