my take on both Jr and Alite.
Jr was able to basically do whatever he wanted with impunity because of his Dad. basically a bully with a license to bully. Alite was with Jr which in turn gave him free reign as well. they hurt some innocent people. they beat a teenager almost half to death basically for fun. its fucked up and barbaric. Alite would have been a good Taliban.
he tells a story about challenging Vito Guzzo to a fist fight and then Guzzo ran away. i have a hard time believing that.
he also says he was thrown into a dry cell in a brazilian prison and was supposed to get a beating from the guards. he says he actually beat up the guard/ trustee and then just casually went back to his cell??? and the other guards did nothing ???
i think Alite is unstable and has a mental issue. i also think he is sadistic.
am i wrong here?

It was another prisoner, not a guard. That story did sound over-the-top, but those Brazilian prisons are crazy.

JR is not cut out for this life, I know people locked up with Gene, they told me that is a serious man, and he rolls threw the prison with a "crew", doing whatever the fuck he pleases.

All true. Junior being a snitch doesn't suddenly turn Alite into a choirboy. He's a violent lowlife, and a rat himself.

Bottom line is, if they didn't get caught they'd BOTH still be out there breaking laws seven days a week. Because rats only get religion AFTER they get caught, never before.

You don't want either one of these guys living next door to you.

The fight in a brazilian prison: it was actually a trustee, a trusted prisoner. The guards pulled Alite out of his cell ALONG with the trustee. So Alite beats up the trustee with a knife and the guards do nothing about it? Hard to fathom due to the fact that it was the guards that ordered the trustee to do the beating. The trustee gets stabbed and the guards tell Alite to have a nice day and ask for his autograph....doubt it.

So Gotti sends a 24 year old albanian kid to to give joe gallo a message that he is shelved???? That is so far fetched, its almost funny. You wonder if Alite told Anastasia that while he was smoking angel dust. He went to see joe gallo on a purple elephant and delivered the message in song..
I think a lot of the other shit is true although the tough guy shit is exaggerated( to me). Alite was no pussy, no doubt. I do think he picked some of his marks. He tortured a contractor. I would imagine the contractor was an easy target. Plus, thats fuckin sadistic. Alite obviously enjoyed what he did and almost looked for an excuse to perpetrate those sorts of things.

Alite also claims he threatened Tommy Patera. anyone have trouble with that? if not, i have swamp land that i'd like to sell you.

just got the book in the mail and its 0 outside then on Monday nother foot of snow. tomarrow superbowl break. but I will bang this book out and give my decision on whose a worse rat him or jr. case closed. Belmont giving away all the shit I would laugh and trash this guy so I cant read this thread nomo.

http://youtu.be/upBgZQhFN9U

This guy is a moron "the dapper Dan " and about 20 other things . Right from the start he thought Alite took Gotti Sr down lol

90 pages in someone start a thread on the book all so we can trash it. First nice 1 sentence line in a chapter ya elder gotti sent me to Joe hallo to tell him he's demoted. Yaeh OK. Shit I would have made a chapter on that alone. One sentence on telling Carlo's Paul's and John s consig your done. No I'm at a point he beaten a made guy catalanos kid over gambling and gene gotti tells him to tell the kid to tell his dad let's talk. Was gene and them who got busted in 82 still actively selling her I on well they were on bail to 89 I don't think so. Thought it died with Angelo's brother in the plane crash. His dates of shit are all over the place. Wish I put the 20$ in my gas tank ftw.

So he buys a huge 3 house estate in 1987 has his family laving in this house or that but by 91 his parents are in queens. George a. I'm disappointed. Can you show me a picture of any of this.

Joe Gallo would have wacked that mutt on the spot.

about half way done all my posters on bb don't buy this book is fucking sucks asshole. I cant belive George my second favorite crime guy wrote this shit. I don't got a horse in this race, this book sucks if I want to read about drug dealers theres better stuff. so after my patriots curb stomp seattle ill finish. just banged out a small pizza called my girl a slut and off to the races. life goona be hell later. but his book stinks.

Well, as long as you had a pizza the day's not a total loss.

I remember reading that Alite was really angry that gotti sr whacked Castellano without permission. He said he could never look at him the same although he said he eventually accepted it. Alite liked castellano and thought he was a good businessman.
He also said he met up with Tony " ducks" Corallo and " ducks" warned him that the bergen crew could be dangerous and if Alite ever needed help, just give Carallo a ring.
I read this somewhere recently. I will find it.
Alite also said he was going to be a pro boxer but eventually dropped the idea because he said there was no one in his weight class that would really be a challenge and worth his while. He was pissed but moved on.

Please. You can't possibly believe that nonsense. Alite was a kid in his early 20's when Castellano got whacked. Plus, Ducks went up for life with the Commission case a year later.

Yeah, an Albanian associate in his early twenties met with Bosses. He never met those guys in his life .

I'm willing to listen to what he has to say about Junior and the Gottis. But that's about it.

I'm still trying to figure out WHY Anastasia decided to write a book on him. Gonna tune in to that crime radio show to find out.

Probably bullshit but maybe he met with Tony Ducks by some sort of coincidence or whatever and Tony thought he was an up and comer with Italian ancestry, maybe he did Tony a favor, who really knows. But a lot of his stories do smell like crap, and I'm already on the fence about ordering his book.

There's no possible way. None at all.

I'm sorry if that sounds arrogant on my part, and it has NOTHING to do with Alite's ancestry. But Ducks was bombarded with legal problems from as far back as '82 or '83. There's just no possible way that he met with a twenty year old peon like Alite during such a volatile time period. He was a VERY cautious man. Those Jaguar tapes were a fluke. They put him in for life, but a fluke nonetheless.

Besides, the nonsense about being the messenger to put Gallo on the shelf makes everything he said later irrelevant. Like I said, I'm willing to listen to what he said about the Gottis. But that's about it.

He was going to be a pro boxer but there was no one to fight !!! What ???
He didnt even box competitively. No golden gloves, no diamond gloves, nothing..
If he said that, he was drunk. I dont know if he would ever say that. Its completely outrageous.
Anyone can go to a boxing gym and spar every now and then which he may have done. Competing is a whole other thing.

What crime radio show?Where can I tune into that?

I made a thread on here about it. Crime Beat Radio. Chk it out.

Yeah I realize it's bullshit, my whole point was that maybe he's lying by omission like with the Gallo thing, maybe Gotti sent him and somebody else (a made guy) to tell Gallo he's out and Alite just didn't mention him.
But yes the more I think about it the more ridiculous the Tony Ducks story sounds, not to mention Alite isn't that old.

If most of the book is bullshit then I'm just surprised Anastasia has sunk to a Philip Carlo-level of journalism.

Yeah, that's the real surprise here. I mean, you know that these rats (and even the cops who write books) aren't going to give you the whole story. But you just expect better from a guy like Anastasia.

Edit: I read something the wrong way

Finish book 1 to 10 a 2. Like tell me about what the gottis did was there a pool. He just says the same old shit. Was Mrs gotti a good cook or did they order out everynite. This book is so much bs. He never killed for the gambino family he killed drug dealers from there hood over money. John sr never gave him a hit. Dibono was killed by Charles and bobby b and that kid Kevin that bike frank gotti drove to his death. A least wrote a book it would be better. Jr shot him he was the driver in the dibono hit. I seen some pics of Kevin with gotti sr. This guy was a drug dealer no more. He says something about cell phone towers but doesn't elaborate. Barley mentions what he had been doing in Tampa with Ronnie one arm. Never buying a crime book again unless the guy is made and for at least 20 years. Oh he claims he beat up gene gotti in the mid 90tys in prison. He would have been dead the second he got home. Ronnie one arm and them would have killed him quick john sr would have put money on his head. Bad book. Vito guzzo and crew would have killed him. He was o e of Jr gofferd that's it.

I agree pmac.. Did Gotti's wife cook? Did gotti sr watch tv? What did he watch?
What did the interior of the house look like?
Who were some of the regulars at the house? What did Gotti sr eat for breakfast?
Did Sr and his wife talk a lot?

Hey Pizzaboy im actually reading the Alite book now.There is noway that Corallo would ever talk to a young nobody like alite your right about that.But whats your opinion on maybe John Gotti hating and disdain for Joe Gallo that to try and humiliate him more and disrespect him he sent a young Albanian to demote him?Maybe in JG eyes Joe Gallo was such scum that for him or sammy gravano was too good to even talk to him so thats why he sent a nobody.

I got to admit im very early in Alite actually does sound legit He is actually admitting to getting his ass kicked in brawls I would of thought that he was one of those guys that talked about being a monster fighter and beating up 10 guys at once.SO i guess so far so good

I don't believe the Gallo story, either. The guy was universally respected. But to each his own.

Now having said that---and I haven't read either book yet---but Alite seems a lot more credible than Junior right now. Because that 302 is real, and Junior's credibility goes right out the window with the reality of it.

The truth is, he's been lying about quitting the mob for over ten years now. It's now clear that he didn't quit, he got chased. But like I said earlier in the thread, getting chased and spinning it into an "I quit the mob" defense was brilliant (although that was more than likely Carnesi's idea).

The rumors about Marino chasing Junior have been out there for years. Now we know it's true. We also know why.

In that other story about Alite, from what i remember, he said Barney Bellomo wasnt a visionary and Crea needed to smarten up or something like that. He could of been made with the luchese in the bronx but didnt like their direction at the time.

How could he he be made with the Luccheses when he's 100% Albanian? Please, clue me in on that .

A rat associate talking shit about Barney and Stevie. That's fucking hysterical.

I was thinking the same thing maybe he sent Alite on purpose but then again Joe Gallo was pretty high up, and a very well-liked guy, since the days of Anastasia.

This is what I'm curious about. Those who have read the book, does Alite ever talk about getting made? I'm not sure they'd ever make him. Not that it's impossible, I've heard instances of Albanians becoming made with 'ndrangheta 'ndrinas and possibly Camorra (though I'm not sure), but with the American Cosa Nostra I don't think they'd make somebody without any Italian ancestry, even if he looked the part, knew them for a long time, and came from a very similar culture.

In this shape the Bonannos and Colombos are right now I wouldn't be surprised if they'd make an Albanian who was a particularly good earner and useful. Probably would have to Italianize his last name though.