Thanks, Serp.

I know you know what you are talking about, i just have heard from plenty of people they conssidered Al to be just as big of part as Amuso and Casso so the hatred ran deep for him too, alot of the Harlem guys were very upset about not just Loungo but also his right ahnd man who was killed no need to bring his name up im sure you know who he was but he was very close to every member in that bronx faction and was killed only bc of the fear they had for him after Luango went

and it wasnt just the Harlem, Bronx and Mount vernon crews it was also the crew in the garmet district had close ties to the bronx faction also through the Avellinos and a soldier in that crew

I understand all that. And there was even more resentment in the garment district because of what they did to that guy after a lifetime of service to them. He didn't deserve that.

All you have to do is go through my posts on this subject over the years and you'll find that I agree with you in spirit about most of this stuff.

In the long run it was never going to work with Brooklyn running the show way to much history of the Harlem/ Bronx guys being in charge and like you said PB, not many people back then could have went head to head with some of these guys in that bronx or mount vernon crew they were some tough guys, and thats not even bringing up the Jersey crew who also had beef with Brooklyn, and had deep Harlem routes from Michael and Marty

Exactly. And we've chatted a bit in the past. Unfortunately I had to disable my pm for ahwile because there are a few stalkers and nuts here, but I'll let you know when I turn it back on.

Anyway, like I said, and as I'm sure you well know, Mount Vernon hardly got any press over the years, so a lot of the "mob watchers" on the boards aren't even aware of them. But I'm old enough to remember Peanuts, and I remember the day he got killed like it was yesterday.

Anyway, the guy who took over for him (who went by initials intead of a name ), ran a crew as crazy and fucking dangerous as any I've ever seen. And I've lived with these assholes all my life. And I'm not pretending to be anything I'm not with that statement. But when you're around people for 55 years, you tend to hear a few things. That's all.

PB, how on earth did the Brooklyn faction take over if Bronx/Harlem was so powerful? And check your PM mate.

I very rarely go on this site bc most of what i know isnt from all the typical "mob watchers" like you i grew up/ lived in the Bronx forever and have met/known plenty of these guys, like you i dont pretend to be anything but from the Morris park area, with parents from Harlem

Ducks let it happen. Worked out well, didn't it?

I have to enable my pm again first. I had to turn it off again because of a certain poster. But I don't want to get scolded so I won't mention him ever again.

I'll be in touch.

It can't be stressed enough that the "inside" information guys like you and PB provide are what keeps most of us coming back here! All of this info on the Luccheses is so much more interesting than the usual Gotti/Gravano docs they keep rehashing.

Baldo don't forget Bronx he's a very knowledgeable poster with a lot of great info. Probably the best on this forum. just IMHO.

yes, Bronx is a very informative poster, and he's also a fine gentleman, always has time to answer someones question.

great guy.

Didn't mean to leave anybody out...and yes, Bronx is great! Keep up the great work.

Where does a man like Frank Lastorino stand with these guys today 2015

he doesn't stand nowhere , he is lucky to be alive , crea shelved him

I've heard a few stories that he's shelved and that he's active as a soldier. I said it before if Lastorino or Bowat wanted back in they have to accept soldier status.

Why though, he was a Harlem guy? Surely he should have had Vic and Gas hit.

Well what would you do if you were Ducks... I mean who knew, Casso was a hell of an earner, ambitious, driven, ready to kill, what more could you want?

My point is that you never know how somebody will become when he's in power.

boy. is that ever true. and that goes for everything, especially the mob. look at gotti bringing his family down, look at scarfo bringing his down, and casso, and messina bringing their families down.

who knew they were going to be like that. it seems as though everytime there is a new boss, it's a crapshoot.

If the power lay with the Bornx/Harlem faction then that's where it should have stayed, he should have supported one of his own faction for the top spots.

It ended up back where it belongs. That's what matters. But it would have prevented so many needless deaths.

His first choice was a Harlem guy, however i agreed he should have had the foresight to see the problems his next choice would create

I heard Frank Lastorino was a captain, I don't know much about Brooklyn and have no idea if it's true or not becouse allot of people say he is shelved and I definitely could see that, regardless the Bronx/Westchester crews are the power now

seems like vic and gas put al in on all those hits. like did they use any of the other 100 guys minus the 20 from Brooklyn to do dirty work. yaeh the Bronx guy snuck his capo salerno he would have died if not.als son pulling off the hit in cali must have made vic and gas very happy, the fat pete hit pissed. but they kept putting al in a lot of shit. id be paranoid. theres never been proof that guy Bruno was snitching it came out in the mafia cop trial he was bullying the fat cops friend and was asked to stop more then once so he put a bug in casso ear. shit al should have violated parole. and he tries to come off as easy but he wanted that capo position, and to take on paul vario crew of killers must have had people scratching there head he was made like 5 yrs before never a hitter.

PB and vnicks just spot on, wow , impressive stuff guys

That garment crew was a Harlem crew and he was taken out because he was a multi millionaire on an annual basis . That family had the garment district for for the luchese for like 40 + years and go back to importing tons of smack with Vito

As PB said a shame what happened to him but he stood his ground , real CN style

The Commission case tuned his mind into silly puddy.

That's a strong and personal opinion. But I believe it to be true.

Bronx is my partner in crime. Pun intended. Or maybe not .

I can't get him to cross the fucking state to see me, though. But it's all moot because I'm in NY this week. Fucking brutal up here. I could never go back to full winters up here anymore. No way in Hell.

Watching you and bronx talk is quite annoying, nobody else knows what you're talking about

Best posters on here though, where's skinny at these days?

To put it into British parlance, he's concentrating on University down south and working his ass off. Which is a good thing.

Wasnt al seen as completly pathetic by everyone thats why casso kept giving him promotions so he can have puppet who could run to noone when shit got bad also Casso in his book for some reason really liked Al Vic didnt give a fuck about Al either way.I dont think he would of ever been whacked because all he did was follow orders and other than Casso he had no power.It probably would of been good for the westside to have Al as the official boss because imagine how much they could of controlled this guy and take what ever they wanted when ever they wanted from this guy