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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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02/24/15 07:26 AM
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My gut feeling tells me that up until Galante's death, Galante had been planning with Bonanno in Arizona, to make a power grab......It was obvious that these 2 were extremely close AND, events just seem to prove this to be true.
Here is why I believe this:
Bonanno agreed to retire to Arizona in 1968 and, it seems like that was the plan until, 1976, when Gambino died ....In 1977 he got clipped for trying to buy up big car dealerships so he could launder mob money.....What mob money?....Isn't he retired? I also believe that Bonanno knew a return to power was impossible with Gambino at the throne which is why Bonanno did nothing from 1968-1976...,He would have been killed by Gambino if they saw any movement from him......At least until 1977.
Enter Lilo: Galante is released in 1974, and seems to making huge leaps and bounds in wrestling control of it all. He was making buckets of money, which is what led Bonanno to try and immediately overpay for those dealerships BUT, once Galante was stopped in his tracks, Bonanno knew at that moment in 1979, his mafia life was officially over.....If the commission sent word to Bonanno in Arizona for his blessing to take out Galante, Bonanno HAD to know at that instant that his career was OFFICIALLY over.... And supposedly when they asked for his blessing, they told him to not get any bright ideas about returning to NY.
That is why he started to write his Man of Honor book and do the 60 minutes interview in 1983. It probably takes about 3 years to write and publish a book and it just seems like all the events line up to prove this was the plan.
Obviously we will never know the full truth but how else do you explain all the timing of the factual events?
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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02/24/15 08:21 AM
02/24/15 08:21 AM
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Dooley36
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that sounds plausible...ItalianIrishMix
I have often wondered what would have been different in the Bannana War if Carmine was on the street, not in jail.
He was a tough respected capo. I've read that he visited Joe in AZ after he got out too.
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
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02/24/15 01:37 PM
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That's why I think it's so funny that neither joe or his son talk about Galante in their books. They act like the man didn't exist to the outside world. They don't talk about him because it was all about the drugs and joe Bonanno acts like he had no part in that.
"My uncle(Nicky Scarfo) always told me, you have to use your brains in this thing, and you always have to use the gun." -"crazy" Phil Leonetti-
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
[Re: ItalianIrishMix]
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02/24/15 02:21 PM
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My gut feeling tells me that up until Galante's death, Galante had been planning with Bonanno in Arizona, to make a power grab......It was obvious that these 2 were extremely close AND, events just seem to prove this to be true.
Here is why I believe this:
Bonanno agreed to retire to Arizona in 1968 and, it seems like that was the plan until, 1976, when Gambino died ....In 1977 he got clipped for trying to buy up big car dealerships so he could launder mob money.....What mob money?....Isn't he retired? I also believe that Bonanno knew a return to power was impossible with Gambino at the throne which is why Bonanno did nothing from 1968-1976...,He would have been killed by Gambino if they saw any movement from him......At least until 1977.
Enter Lilo: Galante is released in 1974, and seems to making huge leaps and bounds in wrestling control of it all. He was making buckets of money, which is what led Bonanno to try and immediately overpay for those dealerships BUT, once Galante was stopped in his tracks, Bonanno knew at that moment in 1979, his mafia life was officially over.....If the commission sent word to Bonanno in Arizona for his blessing to take out Galante, Bonanno HAD to know at that instant that his career was OFFICIALLY over.... And supposedly when they asked for his blessing, they told him to not get any bright ideas about returning to NY.
That is why he started to write his Man of Honor book and do the 60 minutes interview in 1983. It probably takes about 3 years to write and publish a book and it just seems like all the events line up to prove this was the plan.
Obviously we will never know the full truth but how else do you explain all the timing of the factual events? I have to agree with you, especially about old joe trying to muscle his way into a car dealership in Arizona, indeed where did he get the money, and he was supposed to be retired. great post.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
[Re: Tonytough]
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02/25/15 01:58 AM
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@Furio, I can't say I agree. Back then, when there was a Commission for sure, they took themselves pretty seriously as a governing body. Someone who declared themselves boss would have been whacked sooner or later, even if it took 10 years to do it.
@ItalianIrishMix, I agree with your suspicions about a Bonanno Galante conspiracy to wreak mischief. Problem is, Joe Bonanno was, as always, so well insulated from his intrigues, that it's hard for us to pinpoint his role in them. If Bonanno was consulted about the Galante hit ahead of time, that means the Commission itself might not have been certain about Bonanno's involvement in Galante's ambitions and was testing him to see which way he would answer.
@Barrett, you don't need a bunch of Capos and soldiers earning and paying tribute if your number one cash crop is narcotics and you are letting your capos deal in it.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
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02/25/15 09:22 AM
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That's why I think it's so funny that neither joe or his son talk about Galante in their books. They act like the man didn't exist to the outside world. They don't talk about him because it was all about the drugs and joe Bonanno acts like he had no part in that. you are absolutely right. I have read all of the bonanno books, and I can't recall one line on carmine galente, and I have read them all. You are both wrong. Galante is mentioned several times in Bill´s last book. I believe he is mentioned in "Bound by honor" too. Joe Bonanno talks about Galante in the 60 minutes interview. Why did the Bonanno family have so few capos? The Gambinos and Genovese always had about 20. The Profacis had about 10. Even the Magaddinos had at least 8 but probably more like 12-15.
On the hearing charts there's one or two capos only. Not to mention we can't really name but three or four from the Bonanno era. The FBI didn´t develop a reliable informant within the Bonanno camp until much later. The Bonanno chart at the hearings is a joke. The Bonannos had around 15 captains in the early 1960s.
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
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02/25/15 09:42 AM
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That's why I think it's so funny that neither joe or his son talk about Galante in their books. They act like the man didn't exist to the outside world. They don't talk about him because it was all about the drugs and joe Bonanno acts like he had no part in that. you are absolutely right. I have read all of the bonanno books, and I can't recall one line on carmine galente, and I have read them all. You are both wrong. Galante is mentioned several times in Bill´s last book. I believe he is mentioned in "Bound by honor" too. Joe Bonanno talks about Galante in the 60 minutes interview. Why did the Bonanno family have so few capos? The Gambinos and Genovese always had about 20. The Profacis had about 10. Even the Magaddinos had at least 8 but probably more like 12-15.
On the hearing charts there's one or two capos only. Not to mention we can't really name but three or four from the Bonanno era. The FBI didn´t develop a reliable informant within the Bonanno camp until much later. The Bonanno chart at the hearings is a joke. The Bonannos had around 15 captains in the early 1960s. 15 capos.Thats a lot of soldiers..What do you think size wise,where would they land?Did they have more soldiers than the Lucchese's and the Colombo's? Or there is no way we can know that for sure...
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
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03/01/15 06:19 PM
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And Joe probably DID warn him but that wouldn't change a thing. Galante knew he had a target on his back, he had the zip faction protecting him along with his two trusted bodyguards. He was always careful and only went to trusted joints, etc with trusted people. Joe and Mary's restaurant was owned by a cousin of his if I'm not mistaken.
Galante believed they couldn't get to him since he had an army of killers, or maybe he just didn't believe the other families would really set their differences aside, get together and take him out by any means. Regardless, Joe Bonanno's warning wuldn't/couldn't make any real difference to the outcome.
-I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen...
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
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03/01/15 06:54 PM
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And Joe probably DID warn him but that wouldn't change a thing. Galante knew he had a target on his back, he had the zip faction protecting him along with his two trusted bodyguards. He was always careful and only went to trusted joints, etc with trusted people. Joe and Mary's restaurant was owned by a cousin of his if I'm not mistaken.
Galante believed they couldn't get to him since he had an army of killers, or maybe he just didn't believe the other families would really set their differences aside, get together and take him out by any means. Regardless, Joe Bonanno's warning wuldn't/couldn't make any real difference to the outcome. Whenever I read the story that led up to the Galante assassination, it always seemed to me like New York got Sicily's permission and assistance. This because Galante's Sicilian bodyguards appear to have been in on the hit. If that is so, and Joe Bonanno was the last to find out, then Bonanno was powerless to stop what was happening. He probably got a visit, not only informing him of the hit, but also that the Sicilian mafia and everyone up in Canada was on the same page with the bosses in NY. Joe Bonanno would've nevr challenged something like that.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
[Re: Tonytough]
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03/02/15 09:07 AM
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yigido
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I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would inform Bonanno about the Galante hit in advance?! Doesn't make sense. They sure as heck don't need his "okay"
So perhaps it was a warning not to get involved BUT again, suppose Old man Joe decides to tip off Galante. Having a serial killer like Galante retaliating isn't a great idea if one wants to live a long life
Now, I'd understand if they sent word to Joe AFTER the hit, as a warning not to interfere nor retaliate in anyway http://books.google.nl/books?id=jgCpxTpPCPcC&pg=PA444&dq=tieri+%2B+carmine+galante&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iqjFUvX5HJXesATbjIGwDQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=tieri%20%2B%20carmine%20galante&f=false im not sure if it is a good source. But it confirms what I said. However I forgot were I found this news and when I looked it up I saw it was from a blog with innaccurate information in the past so I don't know if it is to be trusted or not.
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Re: If Galante would have acted right &
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03/02/15 09:09 AM
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yigido
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