Furio, what about John Veasey, Frank Salemme, Craig DePalma and Andrew Campos?

For John Veasey,Stanfa needed a tought killer for fight against the young turks for the others I have nothing to say;in the mob more rules are made to be broken and sometime the boss decide case by case,but if I don't mistake Ray Patriarca don't made Salemme and another man cause aren't full blooded.

Regarding Billy Batts, is there evidence he ever existed? I know theres a name (William Bentvena)and he is supposed to have a record, but theres not a photo of him anywhere.

Maranzano, Billy Batts, Jilly Greca - frustrating with all those guys who never seemed to have their picture taken.

Yes there is. According to a FBI report, a confidential informant informed the FBI that a William Bentvena AKA Billy Batts, a known drug trafficker who had served time in Lewisburg, was rumored to have been murdered. According to this CI, the rumor on the street was that his murder was over a drug deal.

This is Bentvena´s SSDI:

Name: William Bentvena
State of Issue: New York
Date of Birth: Wednesday February 22, 1933
Date of Death: December 1970
Est. Age at Death: 37 years, 9 months

HairyKnuckles did Billy Batts buy his button like the movie says?

I doubt very much he was made at all, Beansy.

If Roy Demeo was whacked, because he was under investigation, and that investigation was focused on his car theft enterprise, then he might have lasted longer had he not been trying to become a made man by proving he could earn through trafficking in autos.

HK, I guess they took a lot of liberties in the book, and the movie "goodguys" about billie batts then.

Most mob books do. Unless it´s a dry one.

Yeah but how much longer? Till 85-86 even? Then he would have been part of the hit on Castellano since according to different sources Roy was also unhappy with Paul. Imagine him and the Gotti crew joining forces? Roy would have wanted underboss or consigliere to say the least if he'd take out Paul.

I always wondered if Tommy D was whacked not for Batts but for the kid that bar tended at the card games. That story was true and apparently the kids father was someone who could get the right ear for a request of retribution .

In the movie, the guy's name was spider, play by Michael Imperioli but I do not know what his real name was or who his father or Uncle was. Interesting though.

"Spider"'s sister and Henry Hill had quite an interesting tete-a-tete on Howard Stern once.

Matthew Madonna was made at a very old age.

Madonna was about to get his button before he got 30 years in 1975, he got made when he got out of prison when he was 62/63, then was elevated to capo about a year later, then was on the ruling panel 4 years later. Madonna is a VERY serious guy, he's Crea's right hand man according to Capeci.

Sal Locascio was around 28 when he was made, Vinny Corrao was made VERY young, he was 23. HK's right, it's mainly legacies that get made real young.

Im gunna look for that.

Who is the oldest guy to be made? That we know of? Is it Madonna or were there older people?

Castellano was a business man than a mobster,so just the idea of stay in a cell than in his luxury home,made born the idea of made whack DeMeo and was an mistake,Roy was a stand up guy and will made his time with the mouth shout;and the fact that was a made man than an associate is irrelevant if the boss wants someone dead, then that someone dies.
if he lived until to 85-86? most likely would become capo at the death of gaggi in 1990.




I know that the older was Madonna in 1998 that was made because made 30 years without flips,but was the custom to made old mobsters that are about to die or retire for reward for years of loyalty to the family.

Charles Stango in the DeCavalcante family was an associate as of 2008. He's 71 right now, so probably him. His crew is probably a new, small one. You have to wonder how many other crews they have.

http://patch.com/new-jersey/brick/brick-...ostitution-club

Charles Stango, a captain in the DeCavalcante family, and his son, Anthony, allegedly planned to operate a high-end escort service targeting white-collar businessmen and professionals in the Toms River area. As part of the plan, their crew would establish a legal club as a front for the prostitution business in order to avoid law enforcement scrutiny, it said. Galli was part of that plan, according to the criminal complaints.

Nigro and Colella were charged along with Charles Stango in a plot to murder a rival member who was living in New Jersey, authorities said. Charles Stango allegedly sought and received permission from Nigro, the crime family’s consigliore – or counsel – and other upper-echelon members of the crime family, to kill a rival member living in New Jersey.

Colella’s role was to speak on behalf of Charles Stango to ensure the killing would be approved by other ranking members. Charles Stango discussed his plans with an undercover agent, which included hiring two members of an outlaw biker gang to shoot the rival gang member.

And on several occasions between Dec. 12, 2014, and March 9, 2015, Stango and various conspirators were audio- or video-recorded conducting drug transactions with an undercover law enforcement officer, the release said. Anthony Stango, Galli, Capozzi and Degidio were involved with the cocaine purchases and distribution scheme, according to the complaints.

If Charles Stagno was an associate in 2009 and now a captain,he is the oldest to be made.

How the fuck can they wait for so long? Damn, lol.

Simple the Decavalcante (and others family) must ask the permission to NY for made someone.
The Decavalcante that was considerated a second division mob family (gotti in the 80s ordered to repeat a making ceremony)

Understood perfectly. All I am saying is that it seems Roy's downfall was his being investigated for being involved in the car theft ring. If he would've stuck to quieter ways of making money, he might have lasted longer, and even become a Capo as you suggested.

One thing on the difference between soldier and associate. This is just my opinion. I think a soldier can only usually be whacked if a Boss approves. A soldier and Capo can't usually take it upon themselves to kill a member of a family that Bosses induct themselves.

On the other hand, except in the case of high level associates whose earnings impact the pocketbooks of the upper echelons of the mafia, an associate can pretty much be whacked whenever the soldier gets good and ready to (especially if that associate is not on record with the family and no one knows about them except the soldier). I think all a soldier would need to do is inform their Capo, and that's only if the associate is known to the Capo.

Where did you hear that? I'm pretty sure he was indicted in as a soldier around 15 years ago.

There have been guys made after Brasco who are not 100% Italian,. Campos, Gotti Jr., Craig DePalma and a few others. Sorry but I never heard of the 10 year rule. Where did you hear this? Falcone was proposed in 2 1/2 by DePalma. [/quote]

Falcone was full of shit. Nobody ever proposed him. DePalma was just using it as bait to get more money out of the fatass.

Falcone was full of shit. Nobody ever proposed him. DePalma was just using it as bait to get more money out of the fatass. [/quote]

And you know this how? That's not what the FBI says

After the books were opened in the 1970's the guys who were made at a young age all had strong family connections. Michael Franzese through Sonny. Alphonse Trucchio through Ronny One Arm. Barney Bellomo through Salvatore. Junior Gotti through John. I doubt Carmine Pugliese was made. Nobody has ever heard of him except though Barnes. As far as him being connected, just about every Italian drug dealer back then had a relative or associates who worked with the mob or spent time in prison and got to know other mobster.