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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
[Re: Dellacroce]
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These families really go downhill fast in the manliness department. But I agree the article is disgusting- getting condemned for your distant ancestors.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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taking out your own boss in your own fractured family (certainly was at that time), and taking out the most powerful boss on the commission is quite another...if Gotti even momentarily considered that action, he would have quickly been set straight by the likes of Frankie Loc and the just reality in general...what you are implying is pure fantasy. Well as I posted before on this thread, according to Capeci it did happen: http://articles.philly.com/1989-02-27/news/26153845_1_john-gotti-louis-gigante-genovese-crimeNobody seemed to have info that the article later turned out to be untrue so I suppose it's accurate.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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did that agent check gotti's bowl to see if he had the runs.. i'll show how afraid gotti was of the westside, he would go play cards by allie shades club with only a guy who drove him there. They were pretty friendly, though. Shades was his own man. Not that he didn't follow orders. If you didn't follow Vince's orders you ended up rolled up in a rug. But he was apparently never ordered to stay away from Gotti because he's one of only a few Westside guys captured on video bullshitting with Gotti outside the Ravenite.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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Westside guy hit locascio kid and his son got hit pizza you think bosses OKed it or just a random retaliation there must be bad blood to this day and since one guys retired and ones still in NYC Patsy broke a rule, and he didn't just slap anyone's kid. Tore was already a made guy himself at the time. He had to eat it. He's never gotten over Patsy Jr. getting killed. He was a good kid. And who gets over the loss of a child? I'm sure it still eats at him that he had to take it. But he's one of the top guys in the sharpest family. He understands the rules better than anyone. That's all there is to it.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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04/26/15 01:34 PM
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very true,to late, tore was scolded for coming in after the beef with patsy, he was asked why didn't you leave him there? he thought it was automatic patsy would die..if tore kills him after he gets hit, its oh well, patsy knew the rules..but when he leaves politics and favors get called in.tore was not the same after that, but learned a hard lesson..he has nothing to be embarrassed about ,the guy is a man.. now top tomato is different he gets shot and does nothing, they should have told him to move to idaho, a nobody did it knowing who he was..
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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tore was not the same after that, but learned a hard lesson..he has nothing to be embarrassed about ,the guy is a man.. now top tomato is different he gets shot and does nothing, they should have told him to move to idaho, a nobody did it knowing who he was.. GREAT analogy  .
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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Didn't some cop named Big Frankie infiltrate Patsy's crew? Yeah, that was the case where they all pleaded out. Around 2001/2002.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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Didn't a Colombo put his hands on Carlo and get put in cement like guy in star wars. Mimi Scialo. PB or anyone who would know, I've always wondered if this story is true. Didn't Moose Panarella supposedly do the work? Or at least his people....
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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Didn't some cop named Big Frankie infiltrate Patsy's crew? Yeah, that was the case where they all pleaded out. Around 2001/2002. Yes thats what I read.How much did Patsy plead for or what the term is? He did six or seven years. Something like that. Also there was a hbo show where a cop busts Andy Gerardo's crew back in '88.di that create a big buzz too? Not really. I don't think it got as much press as some similar busts. Maybe in Jersey, but not nationally.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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correct, patsy , neil, host of others Yeah, that's the case where they tried to drag Neil's wife into it. I know the Feds have a job to do. But I have a real problem when they try to implicate the women just to coerce a plea out of the husbands.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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What a joke. You have Gigante in the life and people complain. And then you have his grandson get out of that life and into the legit life and people still complain. You can't win. I'm forever scolding you young guys about the perils of the life and that it's not a Coppola movie. But in this case, you are 100 percent correct, Nicky. The third generation Gigantes grew up so sheltered that the first time they heard of their grandfathers' Mafia association is when they read about it in the newspaper.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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very true,to late, tore was scolded for coming in after the beef with patsy, he was asked why didn't you leave him there? he thought it was automatic patsy would die..if tore kills him after he gets hit, its oh well, patsy knew the rules..but when he leaves politics and favors get called in.tore was not the same after that, but learned a hard lesson..he has nothing to be embarrassed about ,the guy is a man.. now top tomato is different he gets shot and does nothing, they should have told him to move to idaho, a nobody did it knowing who he was.. Not sure I understand this....is this referring to Sciandra?
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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04/27/15 03:36 AM
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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got to catch you first..the cop is dirty he showed up with a made guy Michael Viga and Ronald Carlucci.. Not that we're entirely clear on what happened...but 30 years ago no doubt they all could have been killed.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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The adolescent obsession with "Who's tougher?" in this thread aside, it's not hard to believe Mouw's account of what happened when they warned Gotti about the plot against his life. I imagine Gotti's kneejerk reaction was to go into his "What, me worry? I'm untouchable" character. But when they told him the threat was from the West Side, as Mouw said, "that meant something to him." For a moment, Gotti's reaction revealed real concern before responding that he had "no problems" with Chin. As for Gigante, though it would have been much harder and more unlikely to happen in the Genovese family, no doubt he saw Gotti's move as a threat to all sitting bosses. Not to mention the business deals he had going with Castellano before this upstart capo from Queens decided to take over without Commission approval. Ironically, Chin tried to take out a sitting boss (Costello) decades before for Genovese. How much Commission approval they had or didn't have aside, it shows how these guys are all about the rules when it benefits them. Once that changes, the rules can go out the window fairly quickly. What a joke. You have Gigante in the life and people complain. And then you have his grandson get out of that life and into the legit life and people still complain. You can't win. Well, as someone on another thread correctly pointed out, the freight company he's president of was likely acquired through mob influence, i.e. union connections, intimidation, etc. Would he be where he is now without how his grandfather was? I'm not so sure.
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Re: Was John Gotti afraid of the Chin
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