Your right the search button does kinda need a fix. Back in 99 Leo and dentico inducted 12+ guys. Sammy aparo kid one of the guys it was picked up by that guy cookie durso watch/wire. So Leo was probaly in the hierarchy back then. But then in 03 the guy Anthony a gets inducted in the Bronx by nigro and p deluca. So there constantly changing them panels and keeping even soldiers guessing whose what.

Acctually buddy i think they are going strong as ever.Just depends what they are into now,jails in russia are full..plus there is a war going on in Ukraine so...

Where'd you hear about that ceremony?

I was the guy (or one of the guys) who refused to name the Liverpool people. It was a choice I made because it's the way I have been brought up. I wouldn't talk about them to a stranger in a bar, so I don't see why I would put their names out on this forum. I understand the frustrations of some people, but that's just the way it is. If Pizzaboy doesn't want to name the captain in the Lucchese family then that's his choice, respect him for it.

And it's not necessarily about fear. I don't know the guys to look at, I could live next door to one of them and not know it. But it's not in my nature to start putting names out on a forum.

thanks for the response pmac

Ha.

Really, the reason I joined was to ask you questions about NYC, demographics and the surrounding area. I find it fascinating. It's a vessel to view American History. And the mafia is actually a useful vessel to understand NYC demographic history. That's one of the reasons I am drawn to it.

I was a bit more interested when I lived there (as you know, I've moved out) but I still live in the tri state, and NYC is obviously the engine that drives the entire area.

I definitely appreciate your insights, anyway. Can't speak for anyone else.

I'm going to check out the zoning thing you mentioned. Thanks.

While I respect your choice, in my opinion you are doing too much honor to people who don't deserve it by respecting their privacy. I mean, I could understand if you were a relative or a friend of theirs, but you say it's not out of fear either. Why respect the bloodsuckers who are the shame of British people?
I, as a Russian, could always say: Sergei Mikhailov is a gangster, Vladimir Tiurin is a gangster, Sergei Lalakin is a gangster, Anatoliy Chubais is a crook and Vladimir Putin is a corrupt egomaniac.

I repeat, that's not to disrespect you or your choice, but I struggle to understand the reasoning. No offense though.

I'm fascinated by their history especially. I must have mentioned it before but I like reading about their code, about their origins in the brutal Soviet gulags in Siberia, etc. Of course most vory today haven't really been to a gulag, but still...

Guys like them (hardened criminals) even fought in Penal Battalions for the Soviets during WW2 in exchange for parole.

pizzaboy you seriously think that captain could find out who you are? next to impossible but ok.

that's very true,lot of them fought in the war.Not just that Stalin rounded up lot of bums and put them up against the Germans to get shoot.

Not all of them did. I read that after WWII, there was a national-scale gang war inside gulags between criminals who either fought as soldiers in the army or at least collaborated with the prison administration and those who remained faithful to the criminal traditions by refusing to do either thing. The authorities of course, encouraged the first category, the so-called "b@#ches", as they were labeled by the traditional thieves in law; that's why those were called the "b@#ch wars" (suchiyi voiny).

It has fuck all to with that, believe me. What's you're problem with this anyway? Go back to trolling internet forums you no mark.

Wasnt talking to you. You always butt into conversations youre not apart of mr internet mobsta

It's a message board. Butting into other peoples conversations is the entire idea.

Already told you knuckle heads, the captain is " hooks". No pun intended.

Dwalin, were they forgiven after the war and allowed to live on a normal life?

Hmm, I read and heard that they're a dying breed. That similiar Russian organizations are popping up, but nothing with a formal name, just a loose collaboration of criminals, with no induction etc.

The ones who fought in the war received amnesty I think. However, many of them ended up behind bars later anyway, since that was the only way of life they knew, the gulags were later full of former criminal who served as soldiers. However, there was a mass amnesty in 1953 when Stalin died, both criminals and political prisoners were freed, and there has been a gigantic increase of criminal activity that year.

Unfortunately, I don't know that much about that period. I only remember that from 1947 to several years later the death penalty was abolished and substituted with a maximum 25 years in prison, then it was re-introduced in the 50s. In the later years of the Soviet Union there was the death penalty or the maximum 15 years in prison. So, in the 90s when the mafia groups were already strong in Russia, when the death penalty was definitevely abolished in 1997, can you imagine what a gift for gangsters who were tried for the crimes committed before that year? Even though theoretically they deserved the death penalty but, since in was abolished and the only other maximum penalty in those times was 15 years. So, even when they were proven to have committed 20-30 murders, they didn't get more than 15 years unless they did something after 1997 when the new laws were introduced. Sometimes the death penalty was replaced with life in prison, but it depended on each individual court and judges' decision. So much chaos during those times.

I thought i told you to sit in the corner while grown men are speaking? and I don't recall saying you can come back out of the corner.
referring to you as a nit wit would be a disgrace to nit wits.

/me chuckles.

Good line. Sadly true.

Good and true

Had to come check this thread out...

Pizza boy, its seems you upset someone...He's posting about you on Cosa Nostra news..Thought I'd give ya a heads up !!

An e-book by Cicale about Lufthansa? I HATE this guy.

I just read the comment you are referencing. Lieber, or whatever, is a psycho piece of shit. I bet he has some psychological issues too.

Assuming he is the one who made the comment.

I love how PB not mentioning a skippers name makes him a rat in that guys eyes. Nonsensical.

After all the fuss I decided to check Lieber's website "Cosa Nostra News" out. You know, even if there would be some decent articles to be found on that website, I could barely read them because I was constantly being harassed by ads and pop-ups about hair loss, Kenyan brides or the health benefits of chicken soup. Glad my laptop's still working after that onslaught of malware.

well who know more about it then a guy who was like 12 when it happened and in the mob for 3 weeks? lmfao..

i saw that, is "LCN" weirdo Scarpo?
strange aggressive post that is

This Ed guy is getting more fn annoying by the day. What is this friggin high school?
So let's all do pizza a favor and just forget about this other guy and his bs and let it die. The guy obviously is a fn douchebag who probably has to stick an enema up his ass daily cleaning out all the shit he feeds his readers.
We all know the truth so f this guy Ed and let's just get back on track with the thread. We owe it to pizza.

Lol, Cicale an expert on Lufthansa? That's like me being an expert on marine life of the the Indian Ocean.

Dwalin that's just insane... Russia had no life sentence? 15 years was the max? It used to be similar here but 25 instead of 15. That's just crazy. I'm gonna have to read up on the bitch wars.

This thread needs a clean up. F*ing hell.

Starts off about Danny Leo and ends up deviating into needless aggro.

Who cares, PB knows his stuff and more importantly is a good dude. end of story IMO

I hate internet tough guys, so I refuse to visit that site.