How well at this point in time do you think this rule is respected and when broken can you, could you or definitely will end up dead? Will the Mob still be willing to kill over this rule?

Depends on the situation and what/who involves in the altercation. If its personal interactions with a regular joe I don't think it matters. Someone posted a incident with one of the NY mobsters getting attack by someone's family member.
I would say it's generally no difference from 100 years ago, if its personal incident with civilians then it doesn't matter if he's an "official" member or not.

Im sure thee is still a rule BUT nowadys its probably easier to get away with without consequences mostly because mob killings have decreased dramatically since the govt is much stronger. The most recent case was probably the Paulie Gulino/Spero incident in 1993 i believe

I think you might me talking about the Marty Angelina domestic incident in Philly. But it was recently reported that he was also beaten up by a local gang member (The 10th and O Gang) earlier this year, and the guy who beat him up was merely forced to apologize. I don't know if it's true or not. But either way, things have certainly changed.

Here's the article: http://citypaper.net/article.php?No-Fear-22540

Eh i know philly is still la cosa nostra but they are not even close to being in the same league as maybe a family like the genovese in terms of respect and rules would be my theory and potential fact. I can see philly guys being just regilar gangsters if you ask me but NY is way more serious and makes so much more money meaning they probably take themselves more seriously

Man Angelina is a drunken loser.

Think he spit on a cop when he got a DUI or something like that too.

Rat finger Lou was going to have him beat up and nobody did shit about it.

Doesnt seem well respected, I wonder if he was ever really underboss or how he got that title. He is a mess.

I think he is out of prison or will be released soon. I wonder where he will fit in.

Angelina makes me laugh, he's a nobody. Only reason he got his button was he kissed Merlino's arse. I bet nobody in S Philly respects him.

That is why I am wondering about his old "Underboss" title.

Rat Finger Lou was an associate, and it was known he was trying to or had hired guys to beat him.

Hell no nobody respects him...nothing was done

Imagine an associate in a NY family plotting or hiring guys to put the UB in the hospital

This is not a knock on Philly. But you can rest assured, that if anyone raised their hands to the skinny guy, the guy in Country Club, or anyone else in the Westside administration, that they'd end up just as dead as guys who did it thirty years go. And I personally don't know anyone deader than that.

Murders are way down for all of the reasons that we've talked about in other threads recently. But there are still ways to get yourself killed. Being a complete fucking idiot and laying your hands on a Genovese or Gambino administration guy is a good way to start.

Or imagine a 10th and O gang member laying hands on a Scarfo underboss. "I'm sorry, Nicky." Yeah, that would have patched things up .

Did the 10th and O gang know he was with the Philly mob though? I think retaliation mostly matters if the person who touches the made guy knows his made... you can't blame some guy who lost his temper on some wiseguy if he thought he was just some schmuck.

If not though, not even an ass kicking in retaliation to the Angelina beating?

Of course they knew he was made, Angelina has had his button for a long time and everyone knows everyone in Philly. They just didn't give a fuck.

I have to agree. From what I understand, 10th and O was a recruiting ground for the Philly mob at one time, no?

If that's the case, whoever smacked him had to know.

How big is the 10th and O gang then? They must carry some weight to not be worth the trouble of bothering with retaliations

Yeah, Scarfo didn't fuck around either.

the underboss has to be protected better

where the fuck was his bodyguard plus lackies

Not my town. But with a guy like Scarfo, his rep, and his ties to the Westside through Manna, it doesn't need to be. The guy would have been trunked within fucking days.

They kind of were. But they have probably been against the mob as many times as they were allied. A lot of crazy guys in that gang. Violent guys.

Went after Merlino before. And beat up the Pagans MC Philly chapter president

chicago would kill u too, thats an insult the whole family

Angelina was indicted as a captain in the last case.

I don't think that ignorance is tolerated well either. If you don't know they are made, then you should have. At least those higher up. Disrespect of a made man, his wife or family will get at least a 'talking to'. How that talk goes will vary according to the crime (sorry had to). I know of those who disrespected regular employees who were asked to leave the premises quietly or they could be taken out. Most chose to walk away.

I doubt anyone would lift their hands to the likes of uncle Joe either

Its about who has the respect

With the kind of violent history CN has, a threat would seem to carry enough weight to rarely ever have to follow through

Yeah I didn't mean recently. But at one point I believe he was reported to be UB (joke if you ask me)

Now he is a capo...lol, Last thing they need is more captains

They need to start making some people before they have more captains then soldiers

Angelina wasn't an UB, maybe some kind of street boss or something and some of the 1oth and O guys were fkn nuts, like guy who went after debarge singer and also dipeitro cousin who may or may not have killed the guy at bar on delaware ave but bit the bullet and stood tall
but understand what you all are saying about laying hands on made guys, im sure you can test the theory out on the philly guys saturday night in boca

Nicky Slick was a wild card. Was talking about the hit before it happened in jail

10th and "o" just showed the guy in boca what they feel about him and his crew

where's anthony nicodemo when u need him

yup on him and he is one who got caught because he was such a cowboy and didnt care, imagine some of those dudes who are still out running the streets, problems is now that some of the guys are getting out and off paper the OC guys in philly might start trying to take back what was their's from these guys who run some areas of philly in terms of drugs and other rackets they have going on

Angelina was merely 'acting' Underboss at one point for Ligambi while Merlino was in jail. That move was made while Massimino was in prison too and was meant to appease Joey; it was merely a titular position only. Staino was really the de facto underboss for Uncle Joe at the time.

Not for 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure the beating Angelina took from the 10th & O gang was several years ago. Merlino was definitely in jail and Marty went to Uncle Joe looking for reprisal, and Ligambi only asked the guys to apologize! And I believe he did spit on the officers after being arrested after a fight with his girlfriend, and he also was arrested for assaulting an officer/FBI agent back in 1999 while Merlino was being arrested in Margate for his RICO charges.

Per the 10th & O gang, I've heard they are pretty powerful in their own right. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Phil Narducci has a bunch of those guys under his wing. He may be building a pretty powerful following in the street.

A crazy friend of mine was gonna get in a argument with a hells lucky he didn't cause just like a made guy I think there's long memory's and its not just a bar brawl ect. Like the major bike crew and lcn its forever not like gangs where someone has a kid or falls in love got a good job or turns 30 and says wtf I've been listening to tupac for to long. It will probaly still come back to bite you in the ass if your still in there location.