ok, but, what do you make of the assertion that carlos Marcello confessed to an fbi informant that he had kennedy killed,

this information gathered by the fbi in a project known as camtex, this has appeared in a number of recent books.

can you research this? im only repeating what ive recently read. "the hidden history of the jfk assassination" by lamar Waldron.

Marcello said to investigator Ed Becker in 1962 that he was going to kill JFK. Years later, not long before he died (Becker died a couple of years ago), he was asked what he though Marcello meant. In his opinion he said Marcello was angry and said it to vent, but he didn't believe Marcello was involved. There's also an FBI document where Marcello, when he was in prison in the 1980s, told a couple other prisoners that he killed JFK. The FBI tried to blow it off by saying he was going senile, but others pointed out that he didn't start to go senile until after his stroke in 1987 or 89.

A number of Chicago guys also claim Mob involvement. One version is that Giancana arranged it with Marcello. Giancana provided the shooters and Marcello provided the patsy. In this version the shooter was Richard Cain and with him was Charles Nicoletti and Milwaukee Phil. Others include Johnny Rosselli. Both of Sam Giancana's brothers, Chuck and Peppe, say that Sam told them all this. Bill Bonanno said that while in prison out of the blue Rosselli told him he killed Kennedy. There are other Outfit guys who also said that the Outfit killed him.

Ralph Salerno, on the other hand, said he went through all of the FBI transcripts and saw nothing to indicate any Mob connection. Salerno, a NYPD detective and organized crime specialist, testified before the 1979 Committee on Investigations. FBI agent Bill Roemer said essentially the same thing. I have a lot of FBI files and I didn't see anything either, but I also notice that there are a lot of gaps. Rosselli's file, for example, has a gap from early November to the end of December, 1963. So where are the rest of the transcripts? The FBI still holds back a lot and they've also destroyed a lot of files (plus a large storage facility was flooded and many files were unintentially destroyed).

So we have to separate the real claims from the frauds if we want to get to the truth. Ragano is one we can dismiss, same with James Files, who is a proven liar. That's not even his real name. Even if we can get to the truth, and let's say the Outfit and Marcello really did it, I don't think we're ever going to find proof. It's all hearsay. No Mob guy ever testified under oath that they did it, there may not be any bug or wiretap recordings confirming involvement, it's just one person telling another that these guys did it. Even then, can we prove that Richard Cain or some other mobster actually fired a shot that hit JFK? Maybe they went to the grassy knoll and just watched while Oswald did all the shooting. Maybe one of them fired a shot but missed.

We have to remember that Kennedy's route was only decided on November 18 and made public a day or two after that, so if mobsters were there they only had a day or two to decide where to plant themselves on a very high profile case. On top of that they would have had to sneak rifles to an outside area where they could have been seen by others. These out of town guys from Chicago would have had to canvass the area to find the right location, then they would have to arrange to sneak away with their weapons while the police, FBI and Secret Service would immediately start looking for the shooter or shooters. When you consider all that it creates some serious doubts that it would have been possible for Mob guys to have actually done anything.

Random but Also fact on kennedy..he was gonna print money just like lincoln...federal reserve illuminati bankers playing both sides again like every modern war...that time i think with the distaste the mob had and their reasons possibly

faithful 1- great info, as always, you research and one can take it to the bank.

thank you.

Binnie, thanks for the compliment. Right now my current leaning is that LHO was the shooter and there was no other. Maybe the Outfit had a plan to kill JFK, but I don't see how they could have actually done it, logistically. All the available ballistic evidence connects the bullets and casings to the Carcano rifle LHO owned. So I don't know. Maybe the Mob guys just took credit for something they didn't do. At this point I don't know how to explain it. I'll keep researching it though, as time permits. I am keeping an open mind.

oh my god. how are you able to still believe that nonsense in 2015?

Is the best you got to insult someone's intelligence? Have you done the amount of research I have, if any at all?

for the sake of peace, i apologize. Even if i find your post more offensive/agressive than mine, but maybe thats just me.
I would be very honored to know why you believe that LHO was the lone shooter. Thanks in advance.

Faithful1, even though you think Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter, do you think he followed orders or acted on his own?

Marcello had a legitimate grudge against the Kennedy Administration. Like other Mafiosi, he had entered the US illegally through Tunis, which had a substantial Sicilian population decades ago. He had enough money and legal muscle to avoid deportation--all he had to do was show up at the New Orleans INS office quarterly with his lawyer. But in his first visit in '61 (first during JFK presidency), he was met by Federal marshals. They found that he had a phony Guatemalan passport, so they "deported" him to Guatemala by handcuffing him and flying him to Guatemala City in a gov't plane. The Guatemalan gov't declared him "persona non grata" and "deported" him to El Salvador. They did the same, and dumped him in a jungle just over the border in Honduras, where he was expected to die. He somehow traversed 10 miles of jungle and found a village, and eventually got back to the US. As soon as he did, the gov't charged him with evading $850k in taxes, entering the US illegally, and more. So, Marcello had motivation for revenge.

But, motivation alone doesn't prove that he arranged JFK's assassination. Other mobsters had motivation. So did Castro. So did others. But there's no proof that any of them did it.

I want to be very careful in what I say: The available, verifiable evidence does not support a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. But, it's what we don't know and probably never will know due to the passage of time--that stops me short of saying the case is closed.

mickey, I guess you and I are the only ones who believe that Oswald didn't act alone. I was mistaken when I said I read the book you gave me a link on.

the newest one I read was "a cruel and shocking act" by Philip shenon. I have on order " the hidden history of the kennedy assassination"

and just got done reading " who really killed kennedy" by Jerome corsi,

thank you for the link, and I recommend the books by corsi. and and shenon.

In manhattan mafia guide it says under the tommy eboli section vito genovese went to prison in 1969 instead of 1959

Okay, but there was nothing in my post that was aggressive and I don't know what was offensive about it. I've been reading about the JFK assassination since the 1970s and for a long time did lean more to the Mafia-conspiracy side. I also like to give a fair reading to all sides and see who has the more convincing arguments. Most recently I have been reading both Anthony Summer's book on the assassination as well as Bugliosi's anti-conspiracy book. Both books have their pros and cons, but I think both represent their sides well. Summers has a tendency to jump to conclusions and to count rumors as evidence while Bugliosi is arrogant, often overstates his cases and thinks he knows more than he really does. As an example, Summers is the one who really put out the claim that Hoover was a drag queen, but the person making the claim had no credibility and this story was refuted by Ronald Kessler. Bugliosi has a chapter on the Mafia that is chock full or historical errors, and he leaves out certain Mob connections that Jack Ruby had, probably because he was unaware of them. Bugliosi also claims that the American Mafia has never taken out politicians since 1890, but I know for a fact that the Outfit has taken out quite a few. If any Family was unafraid of hitting a politician it was Chicago.

I also have Lamar Waldron's "Ultimate Sacrifice," John F. Davis, Gerald Posner, Robert Blakey and others. I don't just read them, but I follow up their sources. David Talbot of Salon magazine, himself a conspiracy theorist, debunked much of "Ultimate Sacrifice" in a review that's posted on Amazon. The only part of the review that I disagree with is when he chided the authors for not revealing certain names because they haven't been released. He said that after all this time the info should be out there, but in fact the CIA isn't releasing the last of its material until 2017. The Kennedy family also is keeping a lot of material closed to the public until 2025 (I think).

I cannot deny that there are a number of mobsters who claim that Marcello and Giancana did it and I would be dishonest if I did. They had the means and the motive, but the opportunity was limited. At this point, for me to believe that Outfit guys actually did it, someone would have to explain to me in a reasonable way how they could have done it logistically and how there's no forensic evidence for it. Despite my leanings, I also stating that I'm keeping an open mind and am willing to read different points of view. I don't see how anyone could take offense to that.

Probably means nothing but Chuck Nicoletti's FBI file has not been cleared for public release. The guy has been dead almost forty years. Just interesting to me.

yes, snakes it is strange that it took so long to be made public, maybe there is something to the story of his involvement in the jfk murder. maybe, but maybe not.

he was murdered I think close to when giancana, and roselli were hit. toodoped had a real good take on him. he was a real cold outfie assassin.

do you have any thoughts on why he was murdered?

I guess 40 years isn't long enough..lol. Anything interesting would probably be redacted anyway. The govn't would not cover up for gangsters, that's for sure.

I think it was Outfit related. He was a potential challenge to Aiuppa and Cerone's power.

ok, thank you snakes. then we rule out the kennedy thing with nicoletti.

Well, I can't say for sure but I am sort of in the same boat as Antilliar concerning the JFK assassination.

Dont forget me


Regarding the murder of Nicoletti,i didnt find any solid proof that shows he was potential challenge to Aiuppa's power.He and Aiuppa were very close and made a lot of money together.Maybe the only thing was Nicoletti's desire to be involved in the narcotics racket, which some Outfit guys were involved at the time.Nicoletti's mian rival was Gus Alex so i think that Alex pushed for his death.And i think that two of the main factors for the deaths of Giancana and Roselli was their previous involvment with the cia,which was very real, and possibly their alleged involvment in the jfk hit.I dont belive in some stories that Giancana wanted to take over again because he was deported by force to the U.S.He never wanted to return,he had the cash and enjoyed his life in Mexico.Roselli had a big mouth, which i belive was the reason for his death.

As i said before ,i cannot consider their deaths,including Nicoletti's, that occured before or during the investigations as a coincidences.Maybe they were not directly involved or maybe they had only infos about what really happend?All i know they were chosen(not by coincidence)to be questioned because they knew something...

Imagine if they talked for example.The whole Outfit and the national mob was going to be executed by the government and the people immediately...so thats why the top Outfit guys had to kill these certain members because they didint want to take a risk.The whole Outfit was not involved in these operations,just certain members

thats not the question. the question is conspiracy or not, as you state LHO was the lone shooter, which would be implying that there were NO conspiracy. Or do i get anything wrong what've said? The actual shooter could be anyone, unpossible to prove to this day. Since oct 2017 is scheduled to release the last remaining somewhat held back ~3600 documents, i hope they shed new light on this.
There is no question in my mind, that atleast Roselli was heavily involved in the assassination. He had so much connections and ties to and within the CIA, its nearly impossible to overlook. Iam much less sure about Trafficante - there is nearly nothing which can be resarched on him. Also Giancana, those wiretaps of him discussing the shooting with other outfit guys somehow gives him an Alibi, since he just sounds impressed by LHO shooting skills..
If Marcello was the Mastermind, my current state of mind says yes. CAMTEX and other files strongly imply this, this is no steam blown off. And just Ed Becker didn't believe it proves nothing. Also, he was in numerous documentarys and in those he sounded nothing at all disbeliefing that marcello was kennedys killer.
To Nicoletti, as already mentioned, all of these guys have gaps in exactly those timeperiod (oct/nov-dec) or the entire file is still under lock. Which also says a lot.There is no hard evidence that nicoletti was at this day in dallas, atleast not known to me.

What left is all those mysteries around the body, and nobody is more well-versed about all those cover-ups than douglas horne, staff member of the Assassination Records Review Board in the mid-90's. Here is his complete lecture on the assassination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svDEw3Jgkw8

Nicley said mickey. For me the main proof for conspiracy is Ruby's involvment.Lenny Patrick and Dave Yaras both admitted that they knew him and the Warren commission belived that they havent spoken to Ruby in years.I find that very funny because both of 'em obviosly lied.Especially Patrick who in later years lied on many trials just to save his own ass. Also i highly doubt that the government will release any conspiracy evidences in 2017.They just wont do it.Also thanks for the video

Ive got one.Philip Carlo said the famous Manganos Democratic club was on union st betwen 4th and 5th ave in Brooklyn,but i found somewhere that it wasnt really on union st but a diffrent location.
Does somebody knows where it really was?

@toodoped:
we live in interesting times! The gov is forced to release those files unless a direct decree by the president! himself prevents it. But i don't think this will happen..
There are endless, and i mean ENDLESS proofs that the WC was a fraud, that evidence was destroyed intentionally even it was prohibited by law, that key evidence is missing, and so on.

i also want to share one of kennedys last speeches, he is talking about peace, maybe one of the reasons he was killed. Great speech, even 50yrs later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40

I read the Cia has the option to prevent the release of those files if they choose. There's probably nothing there we don't already know. If there was a conspiracy there won't be any paper trail, just more clues if any. As far as Ruby, I think he may have been inserted into the equation to create another rabbit hole or muddy the waters.

Nearby at 367 Clinton st. in Brooklyn.

Oh,if you dont mind telling me how did you stamble on that info im curious.Thanks

The problem with Ruby is that he was basically a bum and not necessarily someone whom a criminal empire would rely on to carry out a hit. Then again, he was expendable.

I've seen it in a couple of sources. In the 6th paragraph of the following article you can find the address:

http://www.transportworkers.org/node/1618

This may be hard to read but it's also in this article:

http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%205/B...%20-%203209.pdf

He wasn't a bum, he ran a successful nightclub. Some made guys probably couldn't even do that..Not to say he wasn't a jerkoff but..