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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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both john's.. car biz..boat biz.. Speaking of the car business, Nicky Buick from Gun Hill is no dummy. He may not have the same money as the Colombo classic car guy. But he's still worth more than 90 percent of the guys in that family. He needed that button like his buddy Joey (the rat in Stamford) needed a hair brush. Ponte comes right to mind. His brother was no dummy, either. He was known as the tougher of the two (and he was). But he was pretty sharp himself. Sharp enough give his smarter and better-known brother the idea to buy up half of Tribeca while it was still full of empty warehouses and ten dollar hookers.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
[Re: Krsheely]
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05/17/15 08:27 AM
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Carlo gambino comes to mind because of his longevity, but in my humble opinion, the smartest gangsters are some people we barely hear about. Some soldiers who made their fortunes and avoided promotions and heat. If I could be a button man who just runs some gambling and whatever else, but stays out of top positions and internal battles for control, I would opt for that approach. People who can balance their greed and ambition and make it out of the life without a Wikipedia page are the smartest ones out there
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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Hyman "Hy" Larner aka Thomas “Red” Waterfall
This guy controlled a massive coin machine operations in Chicago, around the U.S. and other foreign contries and also headed the Independent Amusement Association under different names.He had political connections around the world, like government officals in Mexico,Ferdinand Marcos from the Philippines, Manuel Noriega and General Omar Torrijos from Panama. Through his smuggling contacts and routes for the coin machines,he also smuggled weapons and narcotics. He was also involved in the oil business and the music business. He also handled some of the cash transactions for the mob in Chicago and for some of the high profile NY mobsters.During the early 90's he faked his death by corrupting Panamanian newspapers to publish his alleged death because he had suspicion that the U.S. government was looking for him.So when the agents discovered that he was still alive they wanted again to make a move on Larner but just when it appeared the move against him was under way,the State Department had intervened and quashed the FBI’s investigation.He lived untill the age of 87 and was convicted only once in his whole life which was a very small conviction.
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Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
[Re: Krsheely]
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05/17/15 12:55 PM
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It sounds like the questions is which mobster had the highest IQ? Obviously that's anyone's guess, but some who had very good mathematical skills were Lansky, Dalitz, Siegel, Donald Angelina, Jimmy Napoli, and I'm sure there were plenty of others. Michael Franzese started medical school or was on his way to going to one before getting into his lucrative scams followed by becoming a movie producer, then an author and public speaker. The Desimones of Los Angeles included Frank, who was a criminal attorney before he became a Mafia boss, and his brother who was a surgeon.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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05/17/15 02:55 PM
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Frank Costello was the politically smartest Don. I believe he was the model for Vito Corleone. Without a doubt. I've discussed Costello with you and on the board ad nauseam for years. It's just that I was under the impression that the originator of this thread was asking about mobsters who were a bit more "under the radar."
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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05/17/15 04:02 PM
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Frank Costello looks like kevin spacey
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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05/17/15 07:20 PM
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It's just that I was under the impression that the originator of this thread was asking about mobsters who were a bit more "under the radar." Hard to argue with the premise that the "smart" ones are the ones you don't hear about. Americans love conspiracies. First there were the Freemasons (even though some of our Founding Fathers were members). Then the Communist Party USA. Then the Kennedy assassination. Now it's Mafia. Cosa Nostra enjoys the dubious distinction of being a "secret society" that isn't secret. Their brand recognition is right up there with Ronald McDonald and Apple. Any day now we're going to see Skinny Joey Merlino opening a vanity website and selling his own brand of hot sauce.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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05/17/15 09:34 PM
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Cosa Nostra enjoys the dubious distinction of being a "secret society" that isn't secret. Their brand recognition is right up there with Ronald McDonald and Apple. Any day now we're going to see Skinny Joey Merlino opening a vanity website and selling his own brand of hot sauce. Spot-on, TB. The rats are all over social media, and there are active Mafia members who have family doing reality television shows. About the Mafia. And I can totally see the Merlino hot sauce thing. Joey's Philly Sauce: Mild Joey's Prison Sauce: Hot Joey's Boca Sauce: Very hot. And humid, too.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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05/17/15 11:44 PM
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Frank Costello was the politically smartest Don. I believe he was the model for Vito Corleone. Politically scary. Every Politician was on the take back in those days, corruption was much more widespread. The mafia changed dramatically since Costello's heyday, laws have changed, organized crime has been viewed as a serious threat by the Feds, the media got stronger each decade and public awareness of the mafia went up ten fold. How would any of us really know who the smartest was? We didn't know any of those old timers, only the "small" sample size of literature out there. It's like trying to compare Joe Montana v Tom Brady(pre-Deflategate). It's impossible to truly compare, rules have changed, offenses have changed and defenses can't even touch a guy in today's game...hence padding the stats for today's QB's. Costello didn't have to deal with RICO, TMZ, Investigative journalists and surveillance technology that is light years ahead of where it was during Costello's reign. And the government has rooted out "in record numbers" public/political corruption through tools like RICO and WITSEC. In Costello's day, protective custody was a joke, thus not giving informants much of an incentive to cooperate. Meyer Lansky, Joe Profaci and Tony Accardo weren't slouches either, Profaci made a fortune in Olive Oil.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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Cosa Nostra enjoys the dubious distinction of being a "secret society" that isn't secret. Their brand recognition is right up there with Ronald McDonald and Apple. Any day now we're going to see Skinny Joey Merlino opening a vanity website and selling his own brand of hot sauce. Spot-on, TB. The rats are all over social media, and there are active Mafia members who have family doing reality television shows. About the Mafia. And I can totally see the Merlino hot sauce thing. Joey's Philly Sauce: Mild Joey's Prison Sauce: Hot Joey's Boca Sauce: Very hot. And humid, too. L  L, funny ,,, and possible.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
[Re: dsbaloo]
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06/22/15 02:07 PM
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the hot sauce thing isn't too far fetched. merlino is opening up a chain of sub sandwich spots called "godfather subs". I shit you not. I believe it. Paramount will give him Hell over the name, though. They've successfully sued or settled out of court with just about everyone who ever tried to use the name and/or likeness of "The Godfather."
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
[Re: Krsheely]
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06/22/15 02:31 PM
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I am hearing John Alite may be opening a chain of drive in movie theaters. Dont know how many there would be. Going to be a typical drive in movie theater but with a bodybuilding/ gangster theme along with a 5 star restaurant and dry cleaning and day care services. Each would be about 15 acres. Like the guy or not. He thinks big, assuming its true.
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Re: Most intelligent mobster?
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06/23/15 12:16 PM
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Wasn't Ballistrieri a Law School dropout?
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