George Borgesi's?

I would have to say Big Lou, our maybe Nicky O

There's like 30 philly guys and 5+ nj guys easy math.

By two factions you mean sicilian and calabrian? I read that rugnetta was in the opposing faction to bruno, divided by ethnic lines and even tried to depose him once. And once rugnetta died Caponigro became the next faction leader.

Barrett : That's a yes and further back even .

How is a man from the greatest generation not a lose? I have enough empathy and understanding to know not everybody grew up like me. They dont make em like Little Nicky no more, and never will.

This isnt some idol to look up to. Like i said to you in a previosu post we all find mob history interesting BUT nobody respects or shall i say SHOULDNT respect these type of people. especially Nicky who was a psychopath

So now you speak for everybody on the board? What gives you the right to decide what morals are acceptable? You have a point to what you are saying but if I had to guess I'd think a lot of people here would love to get involved in some sort of low level racket...It's exciting, why do you think wiseguys get into the life in the first place besides money? As far as respect goes, I think that depends on the individual.

im not speaking for everyone so calm yourself down. Secondly im ONLY talking about scarfo right now. If you feel being involved in criminal activity is fun thats your right i guess as fucked up as that is lol

the life is exciting? well, start making a little book, and maybe sell a little coke, and when you get busted see how exciting it is in the joint.

I think crusher is right, only losers get in that life, look where they all end up.

The life is extremely interesting to read about and watch but extremely treacherous. Nothing good comes out of devoting your life to murderers con artists and thieves.

I think most of these guys in there 50's and up, grew up having nothing! Very poor so the life they chose made them $ as for the younger guys that I don't get!

It's always about the money. A lot of the guys felt like they had no other options but the point of it is that it's still nooooo good.

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You will see!.....He will get out at 102 years old, whack Merlino first, then purchase enough sticks of dynamite to erase Philly off the map......And then he will will re-name is Scarfodelphia, the city of erdication! The city of brotherly love needed a dress-up.

There was a pic of him with some powerhouse black Muslims. You no they run the house in the pen. When the fuck does his kid get sentenced that must suck for him that was his reach to the outside world. In the end joey merlino won. Dudes a 21 century mafia Don. Retired or not he's reaping all the awards of being a made man. Scarfo a legend that's fading away.

Maybe serp knows. Scarfo cousins the piccolos all lived in sp.there was a lot of the. Did any of the kids get in the life or grandkids.

Pmac : Not after the late 60's as far as I know.
The brothers were here often in the summer,and there family.
I am not sure if they all got along ,cos you would see one brother and his family at a time.

The people that would come and go from Philly and NY would make your head spin.
The apartment building was big and in the summer you had the family coming and going and not just one,this is way before Nick became boss.

I am talking 25 kids at a shot ,then the next week 25 more it was crazy and they were not the type to share exactly who was who.

But the uncles were great people and the whole family loved to have card games ,and thats were I go to speak to them.

Here is a piece of info Anthony (Tony Buck ) told me that I never here or herd since , is that Nicky and Bruno got made at the same time or the same year.He did not just say it out of the kindness of his hart.
He was pissed at something said about Bruno .(I think even back then there was a little heat.

But as far as the Piccolos kids and grands being made I did not here that, and later when Phil got involved I did not see any of them around him. (and they would have)

The uncles would hang with Skinny D'Amato and the Cammarota's when they would come down in summer, Skinny had the 500 club here in Ducktown...

And like I said not after the late 60's cos before there were many and a bunch were made ,cousins and nephews .

The family is or was big ,they are also married into the Grande's and one or two other mob guys in Philly.(Big family)

Cool serp. Like I read awhile ago Phil testified in Springfield mass court against all Bruno genovese guy who got whacked 10 years ago. He said even the Springfield mass genovese crew would check in with scarfo when they went to ac in the 80tys and there like 6 hours away. So there still mob guys in south philly who may get a phone call from there crazy old uncle in jail. Haha

Pmac :I can not or am not a researcher ,but if I was I would just go back to the associates and made guys and see just how many hundreds of guys that are still on the edge of the life,if not more.

There is a lot going on with these people and there are many relatives that have been laying low and making money .
But that dont mean that if someone from the past comes along and takes the ship that they wont come along.

And yes what a wild time that was with casino's and the building boom that went down, the other families were ringing his door every day .
This is before he got the spot in Fla. he was here everyday .
That boom was 30 miles wide.
I could buy a lot 20 miles out of the city for 5 grand and in a year sell it for 30 grand.

Yes one of the greatest generations I can agree.. hey but that generation from the 20-30's is only because of the Army and Marines who fought in WWII... Now this generation that serves now is in the most Dangerous generation.. because of what is going around the globe.. Now for the bravado part "don't makem like nicky ".. The discovery channel had scarfo quitting boxing after only 2 weeks.. John Vesey used to spar with benny bristo.. now tell me who the hell is tougher would ya ???? "they don't makem like nicky" watch the Chris Kyle movie, you might get what you want I hope...

do you have knee pads in your fanny pack? just wonderin

I am guessing you forgot to use the quote button ?

Know one knows for sure ,but if Nick did not have Tommy Del ,and the Crow flip it may have been different.

It no doubt is on Nicky cos he should have seen the weakness in Tommy.The guy should have never been a hit man. He was a pig, and I did not know him, but I know and have talked to people, before and after the flip, people that knew him well. He was not good mob material from the start.He should of been a earner" and that's it.He loved to tell it" he was week ,and he was a horrible family man.

The Crow was a street guy his entire life ,from what I have been told. The guy was a con man from the start. In most cases the con man is just that . The guy should have never been a hit man and trusted with the inter working of the business.
Nick should have never used him as a shooter . The guy was a con man and if con men get the edge on you .you are done.
And this is exactly what the Crow did ,it was his last con....

If i am not forgetting too much that was the push that made Philip go over to the Feds. He knew that Nick sr. aloud those two guys to know Phil's business and his own.

I think I am not far off here without those two, it may have been a totally different twenty some years in Philly.

yae think scarfo fucked up making everyone he inducted participate in a murder but maybe not every one. did his guy bobby lumio the union guy do anything. i think he might of called a guy to his murder so he set him up. trying top think of any of those guys scarfo or testa made in the 80tys they probaly all made there bones shotter or crash car or back up. scarfo shouldnt have used so many shooters, like all 40 guy and kids had to do work. tommy del comes off as a extreme dick in the book mob father. guess he was really close to frankie flowers got his start from him and when he got whacked his ex wife asked why and tommy said he wanted to play the role or some shit then couple months later he flips.

massino quote take alot of different ingrediants to make a good soup. today the probaly bring in 3 earners for everyone 1 tough guy inducted.

No doubt Pmac> Totally crazy for the people close to the guy in his family to know whats going on.
I am not saying we knew anything first hand and for sure.

But I know we would be sitting at a bar or a club playing cards ,not two hundred feet from Nicks house and the news would come on about something.
I can remember it like yesterday ,we would look at each other and most of us if not all of us ...well let's say it was not a big surprise .

How?

Leonetti would have gotten 20 if he had not flipped and Merlino would have finished the job on Scarfo Jr

Phil flips in 88 it shocked ray patriarca Jr so much he wanted to kill capo Vinny the animal Ferrara who he didn't think would do time and was very young and did lot of dirt for the family. Thats what started the providence Boston fued around 88 89.

Vinny animal ended up indicted sentence to 24 years but got 8 knocked off cause the prosecutions held out info at his plea bargain hearing that he didn't do one murder. The judge wanted to put the prosecutor in jail like 10 years ago but it quietly got swept under the rug and now guys a defense lawyer somewhere. Phil was first east coast underboss to flip.

Pmac I wish I had a great memory and also remembered faces well cos you would not ever believe the line of guys for years that were lining up to meet or see again. They thought Phil and Nick were the best thing since Capone..

I don't know cos we never get made guys or associates on here to hear how the other families thought of them.

I know anybody that was anybody was trying to get to talk to Nick.
So I will take it that that was there kind of thing..

I know what regular folks say so please , we already know all crazy names they called him..