heres another bust
http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2015/02/eight_indicted_in_large-scale.html

Nice find fella....not much family stuff going on though

Way to go protecting a child rapist

Agreed. I think the world would be a little bit better off had the FBI allowed this to happen, although I'm not naive and I know that would never be allowed to happen, nor should it be. But, in my opinion, one less animal on the streets who rapes children (or anyone for that matter) is a good thing.

I also wonder who this E.C. character is. The indictment named him as a known member/associate of the Pittsburgh LCN. I've also never heard of James Martino either, and one of the recorded telephone calls in the indictment says that he "ran with and worked under" E.C. for years. Is Martino more aligned with Cleveland or Pittsburgh?

Only guy i can think of from pittsburgh with those initials was eugene chiarallo not sure if i spelled that right but he passed a couple of years ago.

There talking about Eugene ciasullo

I thought the same thing too, Scalish. Eugene Chiarelli is also the only E.C. that I could think of from Pittsburgh. It couldn't have been him though, because Chiarelli passed away in June 2012. In the indictment, it details a meeting on May 2, 2013, in which Confidential Source #2 states that he wanted to get ahold of E.C. to see if "he could help with this".

Don't think it is ciasullo he has been gone forever and a day.

100 percent Ciasullo , Martino is A collinwood guy.

Good enough for me pal.

Strococs, does Ciasullo live in Pittsburgh (or somewhere in PA) now? Admittedly, I don't know much about him, or the Cleveland LCN for that matter, except what I've read in the past.

If it is indeed Ciasullo, then the indictment is very misleading. The footer at the bottom explaining the mentioning of E.C. in the meetings/telephone calls made it seem as if he was an associate/member of the Pittsburgh LCN, not a member of the Cleveland LCN who is now simply just living in Pittsburgh.

yeah he lives In PA it just says that Martino tried to get A hold of EC. There really is no Cleveland LCN left per say to be A associate of. Although Martino did try to get Loose to set up the hit according to the indictment smarty he declined.

I know -- much the same way as whats going on in Pittsburgh nowadays, too. No formal hierarchy or structure to be considered an actual mob "family", but remnants left who are still operating the traditional bread and butter rackets of the LCN, just maybe not in much of an "organized" manner.

Although, from what I've read, I believe that in terms of an organizational structure, it seems as if Cleveland is much better off today than Pittsburgh. Maybe you could shed some light on this (like I said, I have no knowledge of Cleveland), but I've read that Iacobacci and Papalardo had both inducted new members in the last 15-20 years, and both were attempting to "rebuild" the family while they served as boss. Of course you have to take everything that you read on the internet with a grain of salt, but I've read that some people believe there may be 10 to 15+ made guys. What's your opinion?

I think those 2 guys you mentioned are the only guys left that may be made in Cleveland.

Wow. If that's true, then Cleveland is no better off than Pittsburgh either. And Iacobacci is supposed to be retired and living in Pennsylvania as well, right? Pittsburgh is also down to one "made" member themselves, and at his old age, that number will probably be down to zero sooner rather than later.

Yep not long left for sonny.

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Cleveland

Iacobacci-Joseph Joe Loose b.1949 Boss Retired ?
Papalardo-Russell b.1941 ?


Carabbia-Ronald The Crab b.1929
Ciarillo-John* b.1946-
Ciasulo-Eugene* The Animal b.1931 Sol
Cirelli-John* Sol
Cirricullo-Paul* Paul Lish Sol
Comella-James b.1960- Sol
Denova-William b.1940 Sol
Dileno-William Billy D b.1937 Sol
Lucarelli-Ronald b.1958 Sol
Lucarelli-Samuel Sol
Massetta-Russell Rusty b.1952- Sol
Massimiani-John* b.1967 Sol
Oliviero-John b.1952 Sol
Perrotti-Paul* Sol
Sirna-Salvatore* Sol
Vellotta-Anthony b.1941 Sol
Zingale-Thomas* b.1930 Sol retired ?


If the source are reliable there are 19 made men in Cleveland.

Some of the charts made by that guy aren't bad, but I wouldn't consider him very reliable at all. I don't know who his so called sources are or where he gets his information from, but he claims a lot of guys to be made men with absolutely no proof to back it up (and no other sources to confirm). The one he has for Pittsburgh is laughable at best.

I don't know very much about Cleveland, and I clicked on that link and took a five second glance over the page and noticed a glaring mistake right off the bat. He claims John Nardi as a soldier, and obviously that's wrong. If someone with hardly any knowledge about that family noticed that, I can only imagine the rest of the mistakes he's made.

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Pittsburgh

Off the top of my head, his 1950's thru 1980's Pittsburgh membership has AT LEAST 12 guys he claims as soldiers who were only associates. And, I'm sure someone like Oscar who is a much more knowledgeable researcher on Pittsburgh than myself could even add a few more mistakes.

1. Ernie Biondillo - Youngstown associate, never made
2. Eugene Chiarelli - never made
3. Augustine Ferrone - never made
4. Eugene Gesuale - never made
5. Tony Grosso - not even considered an associate by some, he merely ran a large numbers racket (and paid tribute) that the Pittsburgh family took over after he was imprisoned in 1986, let alone being a made man - and they have him listed as the consigliere at some point?
6. Robert Iannelli - never made, how could he be a capo? Or underboss/consigliere as some other sites have claimed
7. Anthony Imburgia - his father was the consigliere for some time, but Anthony was never made
8. Anthony Martano - don't believe he was a made guy (never even heard of him)
9. Mauro Matone - never made
10. Sandy Naples - his brother Joey, along with Lenny Strollo and Vincenzo "Brier Hill Jimmy" Prato were the only guys from Youngstown to be inducted into the Pittsburgh LCN
11. John Scalzitti - definitely never made, he was just a drug dealer who associated more with the Pagans M.C. than he did with LCN
12. Dante Strollo - Lenny's brother, he also was never made

I understand where you are coming from, King. However, compiling lists like that is extremely difficult, and I wouldn't be too hard on the guy...in fact, I give him a lot of credit for even undertaking that task. As you point out there are some errors in the Pittsburgh family, however, I'm not even sure if what you have listed above is entirely correct...Oscar would probably agree with what you have, but there are a couple of the above, that I think have been made recently (by recently, I mean in the last 15 yrs.)...the real problem is that you won't find a "correct" list from the FBI or even the state police, because they simply aren't investigating them anymore...their juice level isn't enough to justify it.

Yes this is the question,outsite real error like john nardi as soldier when in fact was a powerful associate. The FBI have more dangerous OC gang like the mexican or the bikers to investigate and the cleveland police consider the mafia dead in the 80s eraly 90s;so where we can find a updates list ?
Maybe who rules in the Cleveland or Pittsburgh family can made some people in the end of 90s to today ?
Maybe some guys trip to NY for ask the ok ?

Furio my friend that list on Cleveland is way off pal.

No Cleveland guy is going to NY to ask for an OK on anything.

No sir.

So Scalish what do you think ?

Both Cleveland and Pittsburgh are definitely dead ?

Both are finished. Cleveland appears to have a few more members still alive but what remnants there are in Pittsburgh seem to have been more active in recent years.

Yep Furio they are done I have more member's in my family my wife and 2 kids buddy.

You are right. I wasn't trying to be too hard on him, as you said, compiling a list like that takes nothing short of hours upon hours of research and work. It's a monumental task. My only issue with it is where his information/sources come from. He claims guys as "made" that definitely are not, and if there is even the smallest chance that some of those guys have been made, how is it that only he would know, when nobody else does?

And, do you really believe that Sonny (or anyone else for that matter) has made anybody in Pittsburgh in the last 15 years? I just find that highly doubtful. I couldn't imagine Genovese inducting anybody in his last few years, either.

I agree with you 100%, and I never said otherwise. I shouldn't have used the term "organizational structure", because what I was trying to say came off wrong. In my post above, I wrote "I know -- much the same way as whats going on in Pittsburgh nowadays, too. No formal hierarchy or structure to be considered an actual mob "family", but remnants left who are still operating the traditional bread and butter rackets of the LCN, just maybe not in much of an "organized" manner."

I was trying to say, that it seemed Cleveland was in a better position in terms of "made guys" left, even if not all of them (or many of them) are still active today. They still have the resemblance of their former mafia family, with a boss and a few soldiers underneath of him (as of the 2011 chart that Mukremin made). Pittsburgh may have a boss, but to me that is simply a de facto title being that he is the last "made member" left, and he is 86 (or 87) years old now, on top of the fact that there is no "family" anymore like you stated.

Eugene "The Animal" Ciasullo, he was a chief enforcer and made member with the old guard. He retired to Pennsylvania. Martino was a go between for Ciasullo and Joe Iacobacci. He was a low level associate. The article stated he spoke of Pittsburgh members. The only living made man who did not cooperate in Pittsburgh is Sonny Ciancutti and I could guarantee you he wouldn't speak to Martino. Cleveland has been finished for many years, still some remnants left as it's every man for himself. However, I'm curious as to who the intended target is. Any ideas?