Oscar, was Jackie presser working with the FBI, when he was controlling a teamsters local for Cleveland?

I believe I read somewhere he was a rat. please correct me if I am wrong.

Cleveland may have been the first family who infiltrated a union back in the 1920's through Tony & Frank Milano.

Oscar's right, the mobs power in the Teamsters were mostly through Mid-West families, like Chicago and Detroit, being the big one and most obvious and spoken about. Size wasn't the ultimate factor, it was mostly about the connections made, Kansas City is in this group too, that's how they got connect to a president, through corrupt union men who'd made those connections, rubbing elbows with local politicians, who were then backed with union/mob money into gaining more prominent, federal positions. Gus Russo's The Outfit book goes deep into the union connections Chicago had and how they got them, as well as a whole section dedicated to Kansas City & Truman.

[quote=Oscarthedago]Cleveland may have been the first family who infiltrated a union back in the 1920's through Tony & Frank Milano.

Hello - my name is Spadine on here. I haven't been on for quite awhile,but i couldn't help commenting on these posts.I was born & raised in Little Italy(cleveland) during the good old days.im not a made man,nor an associate. As a young boy it was my goal --but after everyone going away,thats when it all pretty much stopped.i hung around constant w/ all.I know all the players & pretty much of all that went on .I will not lie bout anything, if i cant answer i will tell you so. Im not a poser or wannabe. As to your questions about the unions & presser & all, i can help alot. Im in my late 50's early60's & dont want to be found out- for my own protection.are you aware of the FBI sting in vegas last week or prior week ?answer back - we can talk alot. I was good friend of friend of henry when i was on bfore

Unless I am overlooking or unaware of something, the earliest LCN involvement in a labor union, at least on a substantial level, is when Genovese captain Joseph "Socks" Lanza created Local 359 of the United Seafood Workers Union in 1923.

The top 3 families in the teamsters union historically was The Genovese through tony pro. Chicago through dorfman Lombardo and senese and the luchesses through Johnny dio and tony Ducks

are you aware of the FBI sting in vegas last week or prior week ?

I didn't hear anything about this - can you tell me more?

Does this have to do with Ohio people? I am a Las Vegas resident from Ohio, incidentally, so that would be interesting to me.

He was informing on certain individuals who threatened his power...especially Tony Provenzano.

When was he outed in the plain dealer for being A rat? Then they recanted the story? IRonic he was vouched for by Big Ange

Im Spadine.Who is fitz joe t ? For those who do not know me-im not in, not made, not an associate-but associated much withh all of them.did favors for them & was around alot. I was born & raised in murry hill .I stayed there for a very long time before moving . Im in late 50's - early 60's . I like to keep some things vague as to not reveal myself. There. have been times i could easily defend myself-but it give me away. There also things ive seen, done & heard = which would solidify alot- but again- i need be vauge as to not give away who i am.My knowledge is cleveland ,yngstwn ,chitwn & some ny as they pertain & connect to cleveland directly. So lets get going on some recent topics as they started

I have done enough research for 12 years and I have in my possession prison records from Tony Milano. They detail who he communicated with, who visited him etc. Milano was the TRUE power in Cleveland, hands down. I can't share them as we are doing a project that is being worked on currently with three others and it cost them time and money to get the records. However, very interesting and it makes me believe that Milano was one of the most respected mafioso in the country in his heyday.

Maybe we need to consider that it may not be in Spadine's best interests to start a post. Perhaps it best if he only responds to those posts that he can speak from his own personal experiences?

Unlike a great deal of the others who post from what they read on the internet, some of us post from real life experiences. Unlike most of the discussions that involve big city families, smaller families appear to be more personal.

If I understand Spadine correctly then he's much like I was: only a "Family Friend", never really involved, but somewhat knowledgeable. My "Family" was from Pittsburgh and pretty much died in 2006. Regardless of what anyone says, there's no real organization left nor is there anyone who cares about what may or may not have happened in the past. However there may be some "Old Timers" left in Cleveland who do care. Thus it's probably best that Spadine simply contributes rather than initiate.