Kansas City does not operate as a viable family per any definition. They operate as a loosely coordinated crew with their interests remaining in gambling, book, fencing, adult clubs and drugs. While there is a hierarchy (boss and underboss) it is mostly ceremonial with the boss mostly retired or inactive.

The "boss"

John Scritino

"underboss"

Pete Simone

There are no capos as there is really only one crew remaining. There are 16 (+/- 2) made guys left alive. Of those 5 are in prison.

The members who are still very much respected and operating are

Vince Civella
William Cammisano JR
Jerry Cammisano
Pete Simone

These guys are the experience and provide guidance for the rest.

Contrary to a post by Stern 48 there has not been any meeting recorded by the FBI, CIA or PTA that recorded the family closing shop. This was a figment of Stern's imaginiation as one of the supposed attendees was still in prison at the time of the alledged meeting. No rather time and attrition are the reason for the demise of the family. Of the remaining members not in prison the following are retired.

Joe Ragusa
Paul Varsalona
Nate Brancato

If you have any questions just ask .

While I would be surprised if Kansas City had 16 members left, I'm interested to see your list of who they are.

Unfortunately, we haven't gotten even a blurb from LE or an OC expert about how many members there are in quite some time. The only thing I can think of is the over-a-decade-old article for KC over on the AmericanMafia website that cites "20-30 made members." Even back then that estimate struck me as rather high. But even if it wasn't, I count over 20 members or possible members who have died since then.

Yes and you got those listed names from who, oh yeah me. We can argue this for ever Wiseguy, I stated the last time we went through this that there were 23 made members left and gave you the list. Now subtracting the number that have died since I gave you the last list the number is now 16 +/- 2. The FBI has never released a report indicating the size of the family. At their largest they were said to have had 40 or so members.

John Scritino
Pete Simone
Willie Cammisano Jr.
James Moretina
John Calia
Paul Varsalona
Vince Civella
Jerry Cammisano
Vince Piscotta
Pete Ribasti
Joe Ragusa
Paul Silvio
Nick Labruzzo
John Mandacina
Angelo Porrello
Joe Porrello
Anthony Simone

There are few others but I am not sure of their standing so they are not listed

Nate Brancato
John Glorioso
John Cuezze

Not all of those named are active, some are in prison, some very retired. As I stated there is not really a family operating the boss and underboss position is ceremonial, done more for respect.

which members are incarcerated?

Are there no young guys of Italian decent they could make in KC then?

Cammisano's kid goes with that Michael Sam kid, the gay football player. Must be hugely proud of that

Thank you Joey Dice, I heard Johnny Joe is semi active and serves more as an advisor to those that still operate in the city, and does meet with a few members of other families. Peter Simone is the one that supposedly runs the city KC.

Angelo Porello
Joe Porrello
John Mandacina
John Calia
Vincent Piscotta

If Willie was alive, this would have never happened, as it is, Jerry has accepted his son's choices, but he was not at all thrilled with the way they carried on draft night.

Neither one is particularly active, but Pete is definatey the most visible. But their really is not very much to lead anymore and as I said before, their titles were simply a way of showing respect and are more memories and ceremony than being the actual boss of much. Pete's wife, Karla, passed away last week, so who knows what will be up with him.

Guys - it's okay to be a gay man. Its 2015. Let people live how they want to live.

I'm more interested in KC organized crime in general than these silly arguments about who is an inducted member or not. What kind of rackets are going on in KC these days?

From what I've heard, and I'm just repeating things, is that there really is no formalized structure whatsoever. Some guys may be running shy and gambling but that is basically it.

Mostly gambling and a bit of loansharking that goes with it. They likely deal in prescription drugs and some weed too. I was in KC for two months for work back in 2012. I went to the north side. Little Italy is now one block. There's two Italian restaurants and one deli and grocery.

I am not sure how I can phrase this, the boss and underboss position is in name only, there are no capos there is no viable structure. Is there someone they call the boss and underboss yes, but it is done just for respect. They don't "boss" over anyone.

If you don't mind me asking, who told you that was the Italian dstrict, you were in the old little Italy, it was known as Columbas park, it is no longer an Italian district. The Italians moved out of there 15 years ago for the most part. The Deli Lasallas sold out last year and closed, you have Garrozo's and the Caddy Shack. The Shack is mobbed up owned by Joe Moretia. If you cross under the viaduct into the City Market there are a couple of other mob connected shops, Cascone's and 105 W 3rd. But other than that this place has been taken over by Asians and preppy white's.

The new little Italy is in north Kansas City up in Clay county. That's were the Italians moved. North Oak to Choutou, Vivian road to Barry. For the most part that's where connected businesses moved. As well as where most of the guys moved to.

Next time your in town let me know and I can direct you to some of the connected shops, resurants and places that are historically significant.

Gambling, loan Sharking, Fencing, X distribution, they don't mess with weed, at least not any weight, you might have the odd dealer or two, the Mexican cartels have moved into the old Northeast and have taken over that market. They move X through the adult clubs and the night clubs they own, Club Luna, Empire room and the place on admiral, can't remember the name. Marcus Arnone partner in these clubs with Joe Pete Simone just bougt a 5 year visit to the big house for X dist.

I never said it wasn't, but that does not change the fact the Wille Sr. would have killed Sams if he were still alive. Nor does it change the fact the Jerry Cammisano was upset by the way the two acted on draft night, he thought it was an embarrassment, not that they were gay but because they were acting in a classless manner.

For the record, you were a source for the names but not the only one. We had other people posting KC charts before you came along and, of course, there's available info on the net that identifies this guy or that guy as being made.

I'm hesitant to go into any kind of debate about KC simply because, as we've both said, the feds haven't given any kind of estimate in years. But I take that as a sign itself. One can also made a "guesstimate" by doing comparisons with the other Midwest families.

Do they at least pay a tribute to Simone or does everyone just pocket the cash they make? Mr Dice?

For the record, you were a source for the names but not the only one. We had other people posting KC charts before you came along and, of course, there's available info on the net that identifies this guy or that guy as being made.

I'm hesitant to go into any kind of debate good because iam not going to debate anyone about it, you can believe it or not, I don't careabout KC simply because, as we've both said, the feds haven't given any kind of estimate in years. But I take that as a sign itself. a sign of what that they are not a viable family which is what I said in the first sentence of my original post, must have missed that in your hurry to pounce on this One can also made a "guesstimate" by doing comparisons with the other Midwest families.

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Other than Chicago and Detroit and maybe Milwakee Kansas City was the largest of the families in the Midwest.

I don't believe they do, I have no way of knowing for sure, its not like I can walk up to PJ and ask him LOL. But at this point all of what I have heard from people who would know, Its name only, a respect for the people and tradition. Not that John or Pete are not highly respected, they are, but neither need the money and neither want to be pulled into any trouble at this stage in their lives.

Joey Dice, that was some great info you provided on the rackets in KC. I had been wondering that for a while for them and some of the other smaller families who aren't really viable families but still have guys earning.

Yeah, Joey Dice info has always been interesting. It's not like he's making out Kansas is viable, he stated they're not, just a handful of guys book and loans.

Yer sure man no worries.....you know what you know. I waa just wondering. Some good intel there though fella.

no problem ask anything you want.

Ivy likes to rain on peoples parades when discussing extinct or near extinct families. Okay, we get it.

Why not leave the threads alone and let the people who are interested in discussing what is left do just that??

Good info dice.

Well said blackjack

in italy there are mafia families with 10 made members why is it not possibile in the states? maybe kansas city family is still viable but very small that's coz there are not indictments against them

I think the interest in it is gone, many of the guys are old and others are legit and making good money, yes there are guys doing things, but not in a way you could see a RICO charge. Those that only know that life will continue to do things and in 20 years it will all be a memory when the last of them die.