The rotating panel allegedly consisted of cirillo , dentico , barbeto , Leo , bellomo and muscarella

Do you have a link to where you are reading those taps from? I would like to read them.

Which photo is this??

just some private photos a friend of his sent me

My guess is Muscarella has the most pull at this point via his conduit, I'm thinking there is a Bronx capo nobody is talking about on the panel... looks like Pagano will have a say when he gets out... we will all know soon enough

Any chance of posting?

And a word of advice @neo: PB says what he wants to say. Baiting him into saying more than he wants doesn't do anybody any good.

Damn they are really broke? , what a shame , seriously

I thought for sure those guys owned all those hot bars in nj shore

I used to see em walk in on Mondays and see the count ( knee a bartender ) and this place was always rocking

Is this a legal fees thing that did em ? as some of those guys have so much $

And legit $. I work downtown where the firms in a particular industry are listed so I know things are active, lots of work

Especially in 1 type of thing that these guys legally arrange to be put up

Fuck it a take a guess boss is Leo in name. Official. But just keeps a panel rotating under him. In new England Pete limone boss the cops no everyone knows but its a little cause all the underlings run the show. Arod getting his 3k I'd take him all day over big papi he sucks ass right now. Been posting alot lately the red Sox suck. 200 mill payroll.

It was a while ago so I'm not too sure where exactly on the net I found it but I'm sure if you start googling you will find it in no time.

In 2009 Benny Mangano, Barney Bellomo, Ernie Muscarella, and Larry Dentico were reported to be on a rotating panel.

Cirillo, Barbato, and Leo weren't mentioned. It was Cirillo who reportedly established the panel back in the 1990's. And, of course, he was acting boss at one time. Leo was also said to be on the panel before becoming acting boss himself. Barbato, who I'm not sure is still a captain, hasn't been mentioned in some time.

In 2011, Tino Fiumara was reported to be on a 3 man panel running the family prior to his death.

And last year it was reported the family was still likely using a rotating panel of leaders.

This is all we really have in recent years on the top leadership of the Genovese family. People need to quit trying to fit things into the standard boss/underboss/consigliere model because that apparently hasn't been the case in nearly 20 years.

Timeline over the past 25 years -


May 1990 - Barney Bellomo made acting boss after Vincent Gigante is indicted in the Widows case.

June 1996 - Barney Bellomo indicted. Dominick Cirillo becomes acting boss. Also establishes a ruling panel.

May 1998 - Dominick Cirillo steps down after a heart attack. Frank Serpico follows as acting boss but steps down some time between then and April 2001 when he's indicted as the "former acting boss." Whenever that was, apparently Ernie Muscarella followed as acting boss.

January 2002 - Ernie Muscarella indicted as acting boss.

Artie Nigro was reported to be acting boss in November 2003 so he probably succeeded Muscarella.

If what former FBI agent Jaoquin Garcia said was correct, Pasquale DeLuca was probably acting boss at some point during this time, since it would fall within the December 2002 - March 2005 time frame of Garcia's undercover work; though it's not clear for how long since we don't know exactly when Dominick Cirillo resumed his the role after he recovered.

April 2005 - Dominick Cirillo indicted as acting boss.

July 2005 - Matthew Ianniello indicted as "an" acting boss, as opposed to "the" acting boss. This is wording is probably intentional by the feds, which suggests he was on the ruling panel.

December 2006 - Danny Leo identified as acting boss (from his previous position on the ruling panel) and indicted as such in May 2007.

June 2009 - NY Daily News article identifies Benny Mangano, Ernie Muscarella, Barney Bellomo, and Larry Dentico on a "rotating panel" of recently released senior members running the family.

September 2009 - NY Times article identifies Tino Fiumara as being on a "three man panel" running the family. This is reported against in 2011 after his death.

February 2010 - Artie Nigro indicted as the "former" acting boss.

February 2014 - Wall Street Journal reports Genovese family likely still uses a rotating panel of leaders to run day-to-day affairs to avoid any one boss from being targeted by prosecutors.

Ivy, do you have a link to the 2009 article? I'd like to read it.

love to know the other two unknown panel members who were on it with fiumara

Thank you, Ivy! Yet it comes up AT LEAST once a month.

Christ Almighty, I wasn't gonna post on the subject again. But it's set up so that their own fucking soldiers don't even know who has the final word. Do you really think a bunch of "Sopranos" and "Goodfellas" obsessed kids are going to figure it out through Google and property records searches? (and the guys who do that--look up where these guys live so they can jerk off to their homes on Google Earth--should really just eat a .38 right now, because your life isn't going to get any better).

"Oh, but it's fun to guess...."

Thank you, Sonny. And I trust that you got my short email reply last night, promising you a longer one today?

I'm with my father, but I have my laptop so I'll get to a lengthier reply before day's end.

Thanks again.

All good pal.

Thank you for the advice, point taken.

So after Barney went away and QD took over and established a rotating panel it has been that way ever since for the Genoveses.

QD is a GENIUS.

Chin, Barney, Ernie, Larry, Danny are all top of the line guys, no doubt about it, but QD is the fucking MAN, I got to give the guy cred.

The guy is 90 percent retired, so please give the guy a break. His family has been through enough. Besides, he didn't "invent" the rotating panel. The Westside has used it on and off for years.

And just for the record, Little Larry is done, too. Let these guys live out their days without any grief. But welcome to the boards. You seem like a nice--if a bit too curious--guy.

I think a good comparison would be a city council structure instead of a single mayor running a city. In a city council all members are equal, except that one of them acts as mayor for a given period then it goes to another council member. So anyone who is a Genovese caporegime (maybe even acting caporegimes) or above sits on the council if he agrees to. It also means that there's no single guy making the decisions, but there might be a guy who has the final word only because he has the most respect and a lot of experience (first among equals, we might say). Even then, he would rarely need to give that final word. At any rate, in this structure there are several acting bosses at the same time.

That's the best I've ever seen it put to paper. That's how they operate. And they've used this tactic in the past. Like I said in my previous post, QD didn't "invent" the panel.

There may be a "first among equals," if you will. But calling him "The Boss" would only be semantics, or for egotistical purposes. And one thing that family DESPISES is egotism.

Nice posts IvyLeague, PizzaBoy and Faithful1.

Good lord, can you imagine what this thread would be like if you three weren't around?

IvyLeague deserves a medal for that "people need to quit" comment.

I'm not LE, but yes I am a very curious guy. Before I found this forum it was just Wikipedia and Jerry's column for me

You don't call, you don't write. And God only knows how to find you the way you move around like a Gypsy.

Just please tell me that you haven't fallen in with the Hipsters. I've had a rough year. I don't think I could bear the idea of you with a skullcap and an unkempt beard skateboarding over the Brooklyn Bridge. I'd seriously consider ending it all****.

**** For you, not for me. I'd toss you off the bridge. But it would be out of love. A mercy killing of sorts.

So the Genovese leadership has become like a small "Commission" by itself and the role of the alleged boss is like the chairman of the national Commission in the 30s-80s? (nominally the n.1, but in name only and more like a symbol)

Oh I'm still around, I'm on the other boards every day. I don't do much with this one anymore though.

I actually haven't moved in 17 months! Vegas is working out pretty nicely for me. I'm gonna hang out with Scott Burnstein at some 40th-anniversary-of-the-Hoffa-hit event this Wednesday.



I don't think you need to worry about that. Even if I wanted to, that kind of people hate me instinctively, so they wouldn't let me into the club. But if it DOES happen, I'm telling you right now that I want you to kill me.

I doubt Cirillo taking over was the first time the family used some kind of a ruling panel but, according to prosecutors, he did establish one after he took over.

It seems to me that the ruling panel makes major decisions and sets overall policy. However, as we've seen, there has been a succession of acting bosses (all from the ruling panel, most from what is known as the old 116th St/East Harlem-Bronx crew) over the same time frame. I can only guess that the acting boss is the guy who oversees things day to day.

They have been using ruling panels and front bosses since Benny squint

Spot-on, Dom.

The post-Genovese/pre-Gigante era (basically the late 60's through the early'80s) really laid the foundation for the formula that they're using today. Faithful1 made a GREAT analogy, in case you missed it.

However, those in-between years belonged to Gigante. His word was final. One of the few guys he gave leeway to was Bobby Manna, and it didn't work out too well for him. Not that I believe for one minute that Manna was going off the reservation.

If Vince truly didn't know, Manna would have been dead before his trial. But it's fair to say that Vince gave him free reign in Jersey. They were very close.