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Re: State of the KC family
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Here's one for you Dice.....when did they abandon the traditional structure etc was it mid 2000's or something like that?
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Re: State of the KC family
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Joseph Porrello Fort Worth FCI Release Date: 02/15/2025 John Calia Butner Low FCIRelease Date: 09/11/2020 Vincent Pisciotta Bastrop FCI Release Date: 03/31/2030 John Mandacina Greenville FCI Release Date: LIFE You forgot Angelo Porrello
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Re: State of the KC family
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This is a 2008 chart Boss: Joseph Sciortino UnderBoss: Peter Simone (Kansas City has never had the rank of Consigliere) Current or recent Capains include William Cammisano Jr., Vince Civella, Angelo Porrello, James Duardi. Soldiers/Associates - 1. Peter Tamburello 2. Jack Lascuola 3. Joseph Porrello 4. Nick DiGirlamo 5. Anthony "Tony" Simone 6. Philip "Phil" Simone 7. George Chiavola 8. Joseph "Joe" Ragusa 9. James Moretina 10. John Calia/61 11. Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina died in 2012 12. Joseph "Joe" Mandacina 13. John Cuezze 14. Peter Ribaste 15. John Costanza 16. Carlo Cavallaro 17. Frank Tousa 18. Vince Picone died in 2007 19. Eugene "Gene" Picone 20. Frank Deluna 21. Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere 22. Robert Gulotta 23. Joseph Barletta 24. Nathan "Nat" Brancato 25. Thomas Fontanello 26. Phillip Saladino 27. Nicholas LaBruzzo 28. Richard "Rick" DeLuna 29. John Termini 30. John Glorioso 31. Salvatore Agrusa 32. Pasquale Sellaro 33. Samuel Scardino 4 capos 33 made men http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Kansas%20CityCivella-Vincent b.1957 capo Moretina-James b.1950 capo Agrusa-Salvatore b.193?- Sol Barletta-Joseph 1961- Sol Brancato-Nathan Nat 1966 Sol Calia-John 1945- Sol Cammisano-Jerry 1953 Sol Cavallaro-Carlo 1944- Sol Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948- Sol Chiavola-George 1939- Sol Civella-Vincent 1957 Capo Cuezze-John 1961- Sol DeLuna-Frank 1940- Sol DeLuna-Richard Rick 1942- Sol DiCapo-James* 1952- Sol Glorioso-John 1941- Sol Lascoula-Jack 1940- Sol Lombardo-Michael* 2000- Sol Mandacina-Joseph 1943 Sol Moretina-James 1950 Capo Palmentere-Benjamin 1949- Sol Picone-Eugene 2000- Sol Picone-Marc Anthony 2000- Sol Pisciotta-Vincent 1954- Sol Ragusa-Joseph 1940- Sol Ribaste-Louis* 1946- Sol Salardino-Phillip Sol Sansone-Anthony* 1942- Sol Sansone-Michael* 1960*- 2000- Sol Scardino-Samuel 1966- Sol Sciortino-Sam* 1942*- Sol Scola-Dominic Sol Simone-Anthony 1950- Sol Simone-Phillip 1972- Sol Termini-John 1939- Sol 2 capos 33 made men
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Re: State of the KC family
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This is a 2008 chart Boss: Joseph Sciortino UnderBoss: Peter Simone (Kansas City has never had the rank of Consigliere) Current or recent Capains include William Cammisano Jr., Vince Civella, Angelo Porrello, prison James Duardi. deadSoldiers/Associates - 1. Peter Tamburello dead2. Jack Lascuola dead3. Joseph Porrello prison4. Nick DiGirlamo asscociate5. Anthony "Tony" Simone made6. Philip "Phil" Simone dead7. George Chiavola dead8. Joseph "Joe" Ragusa retired9. James Moretina 10. John Calia/61 prison11. Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina died in 2012 dead12. Joseph "Joe" Mandacina associate13. John Cuezze associate14. Peter Ribaste 15. John Costanza dead16. Carlo Cavallaro dead17. Frank Tousa dead18. Vince Picone died in 2007 dead19. Eugene "Gene" Picone retired associate20. Frank Deluna associate21. Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere 22. Robert Gulotta 23. Joseph Barletta associate24. Nathan "Nat" Brancato 25. Thomas Fontanello dead since 8426. Phillip Saladino 27. Nicholas LaBruzzo 28. Richard "Rick" DeLuna dead29. John Termini 30. John Glorioso 31. Salvatore Agrusa dead32. Pasquale Sellaro dead33. Samuel Scardino dead4 capos 33 made men http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Kansas%20CityCivella-Vincent b.1957 capo Moretina-James b.1950 capo Agrusa-Salvatore b.193?- dead Barletta-Joseph 1961- associate Brancato-Nathan Nat status unclear Calia-John 1945- prison Cammisano-Jerry 1953 Sol Cavallaro-Carlo 1944- dead Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948- dead Chiavola-George 1939- dead Civella-Vincent 1957 Capo Cuezze-John 1961- associate DeLuna-Frank 1940- retured associate DeLuna-Richard Rick 1942- dead DiCapo-James* 1952- associate Glorioso-John 1941- status unclear Lascoula-Jack 1940- dead Lombardo-Michael* associate Mandacina-Joseph associate Moretina-James 1950 Palmentere-Benjamin 1949- Sol Picone-Eugene 2000- retired associate Picone-Marc Anthony associate Pisciotta-Vincent 1954- Sol Ragusa-Joseph 1940- Sol Ribaste-Louis* 1946- dead Salardino-Phillip retired associate Sansone-Anthony* 1942- associate Sansone-Michael* 1960*- dead Scardino-Samuel 1966- Sol dead Sciortino-Sam* 1942*- Sol associate Scola-Dominic associate Simone-Anthony 1950- Sol Simone-Phillip 1972- dead Termini-John 1939- associate 2 capos 33 made men There I corrected your list. The list I started this thread is accurate believe it or not that's uo to you, but I know how wiseguys feels lol.
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Re: State of the KC family
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they have currently 33 made members? if so it is a viable family That chart is one of the phony ones posted on the RD forum years ago. Much like the BS ones that showed 30 members for Milwukee and 20 for St Louis. Anyone who believes these numbers is either delusional or simply ignorant. St Louis has like 2 or 3 members left. Milwaukee I'm not sure has any. Cleveland has 7 or 8 tops. Kansas City we have always seen big numbers for but I don't find them believable. It's been years - decades really - that we've seen any kind of official figure by the Feds for KC. That itself says something. And they certainly no longer consider it a viable family. You can also make a relative guess by looking at other Midwest families. Chicago, for instance, is said to have around 30 members at most and is still recognized by the Feds and has had far more activity in recent years. Yet we are supposed to believe Kansas City has as many members? No way. I'd be fairly surprised if KC is over 10 at this point. People need to start looking at the evidence and stop looking at these charts (unless they are from a handful of proven posters - we know who they are) at face value. I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not. By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one.
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Re: State of the KC family
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Insn't that Vince Piscotta in nick for burning out a restuarant or something......dice.....you think the rat would of killed the gay kid.....seems a bit harsh. Yeah Pisciotta (made) and Sorrentino (long time associate) are both doing time for arson. Without question he would have killed him, he was from a different time and place in society. He killed Stino for breaking up with his daughter. He most certainly would have killed Sams, my opinion of course. Cammisano was harsh, I guess you would have had to live here when he was still alive, until the day he died he was feared in this city. Of course Civella and Deluna were feared, but that feared stemmed from their positions in the family. Willie was feared personally.
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Re: State of the KC family
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Really enjoyed this thread , thanks guys . Love reading and studying the smaller families . I also agree that if the Chicago outfit is down to 4 crews and around 35 made guys then the other mid west families r finished , in my opinion the KC mob died with the civella's That's what I have been saying since the first post in this thread. I hope people disregard Furio he is still arguing that NO is still viable. However that does not change the fact that there are still 16 made men in various activities from prison, to retired, to active still around, does not make for a family though. With the number of guys in their 70's I expect that this number will take a considerable hit in the next few years. I predict that there will be as few as 8 guys left by 2020. The families decline accelerated with the death of Tony Civella in 2006 and really took a hit when Tuffy died in 2008. Johnny Joe Scritino, Pete Simone and Willie Cammisano jr. are the last of the gangster from the mold of the old school.
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Re: State of the KC family
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Really enjoyed this thread , thanks guys . Love reading and studying the smaller families . I also agree that if the Chicago outfit is down to 4 crews and around 35 made guys then the other mid west families r finished , in my opinion the KC mob died with the civella's That's what I have been saying since the first post in this thread. I hope people disregard Furio he is still arguing that NO is still viable. However that does not change the fact that there are still 16 made men in various activities from prison, to retired, to active still around, does not make for a family though. With the number of guys in their 70's I expect that this number will take a considerable hit in the next few years. I predict that there will be as few as 8 guys left by 2020. The families decline accelerated with the death of Tony Civella in 2006 and really took a hit when Tuffy died in 2008. Johnny Joe Scritino, Pete Simone and Willie Cammisano jr. are the last of the gangster from the mold of the old school. Joey says, if I'm wrong and you show me where I went wrong I admit my mistake. If I counted correctly are 13 men of honor on the streets and 12 associated on the streets; yes isn't a viable family and you're right and many of this people will die today from the 2020,but the family don't opened the books after the 2000 or there are a freeze on the new inductions ?
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Re: State of the KC family
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So there is no chance they can make new members?
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Re: State of the KC family
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The Kansas City's Little Italy name is Columbus Park and for me it's strange that don't find thugs with italian surname to fill the ranks,when happened the last induction ceremony ? Furio wherever your getting your info is so out of date its not even funny. Columbus Park used to be Little Italy but that area has not been Italian for over 15 years. The area is now inhabited by Asians and yuppy white's. In this area the only Italian businesses you will find are Garrozo's restaurant, the Caddy Shack Bar and the Don Bosco center for old people. The mob moved north to Clay county which is north of the Missouri river in an area known as Gladstone. That is where the Italians have moved to.
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Re: State of the KC family
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The Kansas City's Little Italy name is Columbus Park and for me it's strange that don't find thugs with italian surname to fill the ranks,when happened the last induction ceremony ? Furio wherever your getting your info is so out of date its not even funny. Columbus Park used to be Little Italy but that area has not been Italian for over 15 years. The area is now inhabited by Asians and yuppy white's. In this area the only Italian businesses you will find are Garrozo's restaurant, the Caddy Shack Bar and the Don Bosco center for old people. The mob moved north to Clay county which is north of the Missouri river in an area known as Gladstone. That is where the Italians have moved to. Stay Calm joey I made the misteake searching the KC little italy on wikipedia.Whathever I are right why do the life if you can made the same milions honestly ? So KC family is definely done next the 5 y.
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Re: State of the KC family
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I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not.
By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one. As far as I can recall, I've never stated a specific number for Kansas City because there isn't one. Though I don't believe the feds "never" gave an estimate at some point down through the years. Just that there hasn't been any estimates given, nor has Kansas City been on any official list of remaining families, in at least the last 15-20. In fact, it may be back as far as the 1988 "25 Years After Valachi" report where we saw it on any kind of official list. Now is it completely out of the realm of possibility that KC still has 16 living members? No. It just strikes me as rather unlikely. As stated before, I count something like 24 members/possible members who have died since 2000. Now, for the sake of argument, suppose only half of those were actually made. Add the 16 you are saying are still alive and that's nearly 30 members still living in 2000. 40 if we count all two dozen names on that list of dead since 2000. Does 30-40 KC members still living in 2000 strike you as believable? Heck, even the AmericanMafia article on KC, which has been around since about that time, didn't cite that many members. As I've also said, look at other families in the Midwest. St. Louis has 2 or 3. Milwaukee would likely be no more than that, if any at all. Cleveland something like 7 or 8. Chicago - the biggest and most active Midwest family - at 30 tops. But Kansas City - which has shown very little activity in recent years - still has 16 members? Or look at Buffalo. I think few would try to argue that Kansas City has more members left than Buffalo, considering the latter is in the Northeast. The FBI had 23 remaining members in Buffalo in 2006. Now the family has had at least 11 members/possible members die since then which would put them at a dozen or so. Yet KC has more?
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Re: State of the KC family
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I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not.
By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one. As far as I can recall, I've never stated a specific number for Kansas City because there isn't one. Though I don't believe the feds "never" gave an estimate at some point down through the years. Just that there hasn't been any estimates given, nor has Kansas City been on any official list of remaining families, in at least the last 15-20. In fact, it may be back as far as the 1988 "25 Years After Valachi" report where we saw it on any kind of official list. Now is it completely out of the realm of possibility that KC still has 16 living members? No. It just strikes me as rather unlikely. As stated before, I count something like 24 members/possible members who have died since 2000. Now, for the sake of argument, suppose only half of those were actually made. Add the 16 you are saying are still alive and that's nearly 30 members still living in 2000. 40 if we count all two dozen names on that list of dead since 2000. Does 30-40 KC members still living in 2000 strike you as believable? Heck, even the AmericanMafia article on KC, which has been around since about that time, didn't cite that many members. As I've also said, look at other families in the Midwest. St. Louis has 2 or 3. Milwaukee would likely be no more than that, if any at all. Cleveland something like 7 or 8. Chicago - the biggest and most active Midwest family - at 30 tops. But Kansas City - which has shown very little activity in recent years - still has 16 members? Or look at Buffalo. I think few would try to argue that Kansas City has more members left than Buffalo, considering the latter is in the Northeast. The FBI had 23 remaining members in Buffalo in 2006. Now the family has had at least 11 members/possible members die since then which would put them at a dozen or so. Yet KC has more? Rather than argue with you I am going to say we can agree to disagree. I have stated there are 16 made members left +/- 2. You say there are 2. The others can decide for themselves because I have neither the time or inclination to go through trial testimony and list the names nor do I have FBI certified proof of what I have been told by friends and family members. I do agree that these charts are mostly bullshit and people need to stop looking at them, but I am not one of those people looking at the charts.
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Re: State of the KC family
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So there are no young thugs with an Italian background in KC who would become involved in that family?
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