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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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Loyalty's also a two way street remember.
Scars got broken down for no reason other than greed. He got fucked. Where was his loyalty from the family?
If that hadn't happened who knows if he'dve flipped? So scars flipping isn't all black and white, he's a pussy, etc etc. I agree with this completely. The same thing with Mchone flipping against Carneglia. He got busted, did not talk but Charles cut him off, labeled him a rat and made it known he was going to kill him. Why would you stay loyal to someone who is doing that to you. Why would you do time for someone who turned their back on you, now Alite is just a piece of shit, but sometimes those who are flipped on deserve it.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
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Loyalty's also a two way street remember.
Scars got broken down for no reason other than greed. He got fucked. Where was his loyalty from the family?
If that hadn't happened who knows if he'dve flipped? So scars flipping isn't all black and white, he's a pussy, etc etc. I agree with this completely. The same thing with Mchone flipping against Carneglia. He got busted, did not talk but Charles cut him off, labeled him a rat and made it known he was going to kill him. Why would you stay loyal to someone who is doing that to you. Why would you do time for someone who turned their back on you, now Alite is just a piece of shit, but sometimes those who are flipped on deserve it. Couldn't agree more. Ex: After the Danny Greene Bombing in Cleveland, James Licavoli promised Ray Ferrito membership and his own bookmaking operation as well as help with legal fees if he got pinched...Licavoli gave him oobatz! In turn, Ferrito flipped...and I don't blame him at all. Loyalty and honor work both ways and if you're part of the family, you should be taken care of.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/01/15 06:30 PM
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I kind of like Mikey Scars, he seems like an intelligent guy. I enjoyed reading his testimony.
As far as flipping, I have a lot of conflicting thoughts. I do feel, though, that if you are a criminal you should man up and do your fucking time. I'm certain about that. Nobody on this forum (including me) would man up and do life without parole instead of a cozy 3 years, which is what Mikey Scars got for flipping. You don't know that. We have a couple of members here who did ten year bids. And another guy from Cali who went to trial and beat a life sentence. That's honestly not a call you can make on a board with over a thousand members when you've been here for a week. Read a bit. Use the search feature. Get a feel for the board before jumping in too deep. Just some friendly advice. Barone's eyebrows took on a life on their own though
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
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07/01/15 06:33 PM
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Barone's eyebrows took on a life on their own though I think you quoted the wrong post, but I assume you mean George. No, the guy didn't manscape  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: Neo]
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07/01/15 10:40 PM
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Black and PB your probably right
I'll just leave it at pride
I just watched that damn show and Scars fooled me but you guys would know better , my bad
Me I'm a pretty legit citizen from the suburbs of Newark but my first generation family was in the game like many here , they had no opps and honestly their shitty situation led to a bunch of future college educated finance types . All and all their bad led to good I suppose
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
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07/01/15 11:11 PM
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I lived in bensonhurst, seen scars hundreds of times in the decades i lived there, like i seen a hundred made guys from that nabe, that guy was very well liked, i was shocked he flipped, he was fighting his own fights his whole life, this notion he was a punk like every other guy who rats is nonsense. gravano was no punk, gas was no punk..barone was no punk..they ratted, bad move, their lives they gave to CN was wasted.. these guys didn't say one day i will flip, kill everyone , rob everyone then flip. i don't believe that. maybe some guys do have a plan, scars attempted suicide.was that his plan to rat/ ? skins did the same.some who did not know him would say he was not a tough guy, well if you knew him , you would say he is very fair, straight shooter, not blood thirsty, the nabe knows of a story, he fought two street guys when he was a captain.they did not know each other, he got the first punch in and that was it, he got banged up, when the guys found out who it was they ran away and went to a guy who was a captain for help, when this guy reaches out to scars , the guy says their with me they didn't know who you were, scars answers, i did not have a sign on that i'm a good fellow, i had many fights ill have more..tell them to not to worry.its over..when i heard that i was surprised..but later thought this guy follows the rules and is not hung up on killing ,which he could have done..i'm sorry he flipped , nobody i know had anything bad to say about him..but nobody from that nabe can openly talk good about him now that he flipped.he would have been a great boss . and whom ever said before he regrets what he did..my opinion i feel the same.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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07/01/15 11:22 PM
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Great post, Bronx. And now that I think about it, Greg hated Scars, which is all the more reason for me to give Scars' story a little more thought. And I don't have to tell you how I felt about Greg. So thanks for that  . And you have to remember that I'm a Bronx guy first, and my Brooklyn family was centered around Pacific Street in East New York, not Bensonhurst. So thanks for that, too  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/01/15 11:53 PM
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Pizza i know you know the scores case pretty good, greg and craig lied to gotti jr about scores action, scars pulled them up on it, they were not happy with scars, he told gotti to stay away they were all going to get pinched, scars went to Tore and said these guys are in your spot ,scores, making a move.tore said they are going to get pinched if they shake them down..so you have scars and tore agreeing ..and the greed in jr, greg and craig go ahead and get everyone pinched. including tore then scars. Pizza , it is hard on these boards to speak well of guys who flip, it is was not right for them to do that no matter what..we are on the outside with a peek now and then on the inside. dom cicale you know well, i have not heard anything good ever about him ,even before he flipped and that was the important time to hear about a guy. i do not know him , so i can never give an opinion , i will lose my credibility. scars was on trial in atlanta, could have taken a deal..but stayed loyal to what gotti sr wanted.could have flipped then.. almost everyone has a breaking point..from me being an outsider, facing life ,just came off a major case , no baill , stopping all your money, then breaking you, for a power play..and who knows what he knew about other factors. the guy broke.seeing him in that show, you can see he made a huge mistake one that could never be fixed..he will suffer with his decision..i say the genius that decided to do that to a guy with so much info should have been taken to task. how many guys walking around that have a tough guy rep, are C.I. s.. probably dozens..
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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07/02/15 12:19 AM
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Spot-on about Scores, Bronx. I've told the real story here too many times to count. And your account matches up with mine to a tee. This is nothing new to us. That our versions matched up MONTHS ago speaks volumes. We're right.
Greg brought that Borgata to its knees. And I know that Scars showed Tore friendship. You know that Tore and I always got on well. And, well, let's just say that I THINK he understands what drove Scars to his decision. But he could never say as much, for obvious reasons.
Oh, same case. They turned Willie into a rat, too. Doesn't make it right. But if Greg didn't panic and turn on him in Valhalla to cover his own ass, he may have never flipped. Greg was a one-way motherfucker.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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07/02/15 12:52 AM
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do you think the metropolitans field is still to big? Yes, but I still call it Shea and remember all the words to "Meet the Mets." So don't go by me  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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07/02/15 01:05 AM
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how about beating balt in 69..one of the greatest pitching staffs in history, winning the series is one thing, only baseball people realize the staff they beat.. The '70 Orioles pitching staff was even better. One of the greatest rotations in the history of the game. And you're right, it was basically the same staff as '69. But in '70 they weren't gonna be denied. They made chumps of Rose and the Big Red Machine. Yeah, I'm a baseball person  .
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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07/02/15 01:35 AM
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four twenty game winners, was that the year? No, that was the '71 team. They lost to Clemente and the Pirates in seven, though. Clemente was a beast in that series.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
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Great post, Bronx. And now that I think about it, Greg hated Scars, which is all the more reason for me to give Scars' story a little more thought. And I don't have to tell you how I felt about Greg. So thanks for that  . And you have to remember that I'm a Bronx guy first, and my Brooklyn family was centered around Pacific Street in East New York, not Bensonhurst. So thanks for that, too  . Thats interesting you mentioned East NY,Ocean hill part of BK,because I dont know if you remmember my grandfather was born there in 1931 before moving to 17th ave.Where where Italians centered in that neighbourhood?I know that there were blacks to the west and jews to the south. Can you share a little history,thanks very much PB.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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07/02/15 11:23 AM
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I lived in bensonhurst, seen scars hundreds of times in the decades i lived there, like i seen a hundred made guys from that nabe, that guy was very well liked, i was shocked he flipped, he was fighting his own fights his whole life, this notion he was a punk like every other guy who rats is nonsense. gravano was no punk, gas was no punk..barone was no punk..they ratted, bad move, their lives they gave to CN was wasted.. these guys didn't say one day i will flip, kill everyone , rob everyone then flip. i don't believe that. maybe some guys do have a plan, scars attempted suicide.was that his plan to rat/ ? skins did the same.some who did not know him would say he was not a tough guy, well if you knew him , you would say he is very fair, straight shooter, not blood thirsty, the nabe knows of a story, he fought two street guys when he was a captain.they did not know each other, he got the first punch in and that was it, he got banged up, when the guys found out who it was they ran away and went to a guy who was a captain for help, when this guy reaches out to scars , the guy says their with me they didn't know who you were, scars answers, i did not have a sign on that i'm a good fellow, i had many fights ill have more..tell them to not to worry.its over..when i heard that i was surprised..but later thought this guy follows the rules and is not hung up on killing ,which he could have done..i'm sorry he flipped , nobody i know had anything bad to say about him..but nobody from that nabe can openly talk good about him now that he flipped.he would have been a great boss . and whom ever said before he regrets what he did..my opinion i feel the same. Good post. And though I don't think too highly of rats minus special circumstances maybe... One thing I never do is associate a rat being a punk. Being a rat doesn't take that shark/killer inside them away...it just lay dormant. Most of these guys that flipped were murderers and beat people up as part of their "job" and it takes a different type of person to do those things.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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. [/quote]but stayed loyal to what gotti sr wanted.could have flipped then.. almost everyone has a breaking point..from me being an outsider, facing life ,just came off a major case , no baill , stopping all your money, then breaking you, for a power play..and who knows what he knew about other factors. the guy broke.seeing him in that show, you can see he made a huge mistake one that could never be fixed..he will suffer with his decision..i say the genius that decided to do that to a guy with so much info should have been taken to task. how many guys walking around that have a tough guy rep, are C.I. s.. probably dozens.. Bronx/PB Was it Nicky Corozzo the one who broke Scars and stopped his money? Was Corrozzo intimidated by him and did he want him out to make a move to take over the family?
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
[Re: bronx]
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my feelings also.gorge was great for baseball, imagine if the idians would have taken george on board..he was a rocky river ohio guy. history would be different the yanks would still have horace clarke playing second base And the so-called "Curse of Rocky Colavito" would never have come into existence  . Rocky was a Bronx kid. That's why I always took an interest. Truth be told, he's a little before my time.
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Re: What is the point of being a standup guy nowadays?
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nickys brother jojo was consig, but he listened to nicky who was in prison, pete was pinched a week or so before scars.. like killing paul, pete jojo nicky did a stupid thing by breaking a guy facing life, why?, three things could happen to scars ,blow trial get life , take a plea of probably near double digits or beat another case. he would be off the street with two scenario's the other one he beats another case, how could you not want a guy who keeps beating cases..a dumb move by ignorant men.remember the story wrote about pete gotti, when scars was testifying? the story was called the dumbest don.. they never thought he would flip, nobody thought he would.he was pure CN.. they made a power move against someone who was in prison..i have many stories i can tell about the gambino guys, how many guys flipped around nicky c. ? andrew d. joe v. nicky skins. and who knows how many C.I's he created around him.. he does his time, if he was not so aggressive he would be home more.balls does not equal brains.. give you one more story that floated around early mid 90's, before danny marino went to prison, he was called in and asked about the plot to kill gotti, he denies it, did they expect him to admit it?? he goes in to prison, jr gotti nicky c decide to break danny marino, jr as the story goes tells scars, scars tells jr , break him? if you felt he had something to do with it, you don't break him.. break him while he is in prison is a punk act..won't look good.. we will look weak and tip our hand..not verbatim but close to what the rumor was at that time..you live in bensonhurst you hear a lot..ill knock the rust off and try to remember more..
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