Im just speculating but I feel like the L's were most involved with the pill thing in jersey..
few years back the gallicchio guys were busted selling them out of the pawn shop the son owned or whatever.. they were making big money also, said they were making 150k a week.. don't know if that's gross or if that's just profit since LE loves blowing numbers way out.If theyre doing 150k a week in profit.. week in, week out.. that's a pretty serious and steady income stream. that family seems like a bunch of crazy fucks.. were they on the record with the L's in jersey? or were they just some lone wolfs?? I know they have a connection somehow to the L's..
Off topic but is tumac still alive? just curious if he was if accetturo jr speaks to him since he flipped? I know he visits his mother in NC but not sure if tumac is alive or if he is if he lives with his wife even?

This is why I make a big distinction between power and money.Castellano had all the money in the world, but he didnt tend to his "Power", and got killed. The sicilian inzerillo faction had like,the gambinos, spatolas,bontade, di Maggio,,heroine labs, real estate, businesses, connects to the fuckin italian p-2 lodge, all of this and got decimated cause they tended to business over "Power". Like I think its true the Genovese have been the richest family, but not always the most powerful. This is something Chin and his click really took seriously once they were in full control. Notice how Chin was more focused on Cosa Nostra rules than money? I find it striking in Leonettis book how he says Testa was Boss, Narducci was rich as hell, but neither of them were more powerful than Scarfo. This is why i scratch my head when people say the Genovese were always the most powerful, to me power in New York in the 30s to like the 60s was very much in flux...

Another example, George Remus made more fuckin money bootlegging than anyone during his era, but WHO PUTS HIM ABOVE CAPONE?

[quote=Belmont]Most guys that make money from queens move out to the Island as do guys from parts of brooklyn such as Canarsie. Depending on what part of brooklyn your from usually dictates whether you go to staten island or long island.

Wow that's interesting. My whole family including myself lived in Canarsie until 1990 then we moved out here to eastern Nassau.
Canarsie sure has changed a lot especially the 90's blocks where my family lived for decades.
But I gotta admit I love the north shore. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world. Except for those damn taxes!!

When did the Jews and Italians start to move out of Canarsie?

I would assume it started in at least the mid 80's. Even then Haitians and Jamaicans were buying up and renting out apartments and houses. When we left at the turn of the decade there were still some Jews on the block if I recall correctly.

Yes,thats what i thought.Dont think there are any more Jews and Italians there now..Was a great community,real tight knit,right?

That's about right. I was in Canarsie and Midwood (and most of South Brooklyn) all the time back then for the union. By the late '90s, the bulk of the Italians and Jews were long gone from Canarsie. Still plenty of middle-class Jews in Midwood though. That's still a very nice neighborhood (for the most part).

Wow Gallchio's , that' was a long time ago , I was speaking about things more recent

To my knowledge they aren't made but I really wouldn't know , after that 07 bust things are different now

And that. $150k , my guess is it was accurate , people made a killing and like you said it was much easier then bringing H over , they just bought off pharmacies employees and docs and for a time the supply was limitless and so was the demand

I agree probably Ls , as they have a younger bunch , did more but honestly w how secretive the WS was who knows , I just can't see them not partaking in such a profitable business , especially since the made guys kept their distance and that's why they rarely popped up in articles . For a time there everyone was eating , everyone . It was a joke , except for fact it was a fucking huge $ maker , but that's pretty much over but it still have people a ton of capital and now all you see is construction

Yea, there were a bunch of us, like my family, 2 of my aunts, my grandparents, and one of my uncles all with their respective families we were all living in Canarsie once my grandparents decided to move everybody followed them now we are all long islanders lol.

They did you a favor, buddy .

DB: a few big time pill mills got taken down in nyc over the last few years but afaik none of them were connected at all to LCN. You got any examples of LCN connected ones? im sure lcn had to be involved in some. they are around in ny, but a lot more low key than what was happening in florida 6 years ago

the latest in nyc was being run by an old jewish couple from the upper west side. one last year in the bronx was more connected to local black street gangs than anything

i think they've done a pretty good job combatting oxycodone in ny. they say its an "epidemic" but its nothing like other states. they're giving out real jail time for people selling it... like early 90s crack jail time. even if you find a crook doctor running a little mill and have an easy time getting a script, getting it filled is very hard. lot of places in manhattan dont carry it and now the pharmacists can just outright refuse to fill narcotics at their own discretion

i think prescription drug counterfitting is a big money maker for lcn in nyc. selling massive quantities of fake pills. i wonder if any lcn guys are into the greendot/giftcard scams like the black kids in brooklyn are doing. young gang kids arenr even selling drugs anymore, they're all scamming. brooklyn is ground zero for it right now. tons and tons of money. i cant see lcn not getting involved in that

Of course a ton of other dealers

I doubt CN is involved anymore

I can't get into all the cases right now , but for a time they were knee deep in it

For one, the Genovese family started out as the most powerful during the Morello/Masseria years. The Gambinos rivaled them at times, perhaps even being #1 and #1A, but never supplanted them. The Genovese family was always more sophisticated and had a deeper talent pool. Look how many of the big names - inside and outside of the LCN - in the early years were connected to the Genovese. They always had the strongest political connections in NY. Always had the most labor union influence. Always had the biggest gambling operations. And it was they who represented many of the east coast families on the Commission and had the strongest ties to other families around the country. One can argue Gambino was the top boss at his peak, much like Massino was later on, but the Genovese have always been the richest and most powerful as a family.

"I consider the Genovese family to be the Ivy League of the underworld. They more or less invented labor racketeering."
Joseph Coffey, NY Police Department (2003)

"The Genovese family was, I think, in many ways the most powerful family in the country in terms of it's domination and exploitation of labor unions and legitimate businesses."
Michael Chertoff, former NY federal prosecutor (2000)

"The Genovese family has probably been the most powerful La Cosa Nostra family of the last hundred years."
Gang Land News website (1996)

"I've always considered the Genovese family to be the most powerful LCN family in the United States."
Al D'Arco, former Lucchese acting boss (1994)

"I've always felt the Genovese were the more powerful of the two." (between them and the Gambinos)
Ronald Goldstock, Director of the NY State OC Task Force (1992)

"You keep hearing all this crap about Gotti being the Boss of Bosses but the Genovese have always been the country's most powerful family."
Richard Ross, FBI (1990)

Lol...this is very true.