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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/15/15 01:59 PM
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Boss Jack "Jackie the Kid" Giacalone
Underboss Anthony "Chicago Tony" Lapiana
Consigliere Anthony "Tony Pal" Palazzola
Street Boss Peter "Specs" Tocco
Capos
Joseph "Joey Jack" Giacalone
Joseph "Joe the Hood" D'Anna
David "Davey Ace" Aceto
Paul "Big Paulie" Corrado
Eugene "Genie Boy" Baratta
Dominic Bommarito
John "J.P" Bommarito
Matthew Bommarito
Vincenzo "Vinnie Bro" Brozino b.1966
Pat Carlini
Anthony "Little Tony Long" Cimini
Dominic "Chicago Dom" Corrado
Paul "Cousin Paulie" Corrado
Peter "Fat Pete" Corrado
Peter "Baby Bull" Corrado
John D'intino b.1947
Don Fragale b.1943
Antonio "Tony the Barber" Foglia
Michael Galardi b.1947
Patrick "Pat the Pimp" Gatt
Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr.
Joseph "Little Joey Jack" Giacalone
Jack "Jackie the Nose/Jackie Jacks" Giacalone
Anthony "Chicago Tony" La Piana b.1942
Robert "Bobby the Animal" La Puma b.1938
William "Billy Lee" Loiacano b.1927
Jack "Little Jack" Lucido
Sebastian "Buster" Lucido
Isodoro "Teddy San Diego" Matranga b.1948
Joe Messina b.1958
Pete Messina b.1956
Anthony "Little Tony Pal" Palazzola b.1940
Salvatore "Little Sammy Pal" Palazzola
Antonio "Toto" Ruggirello
John Sciarotta b.1957
Anthony "Little Tony" Tocco, Jr. b.1931
Jack "Little Jackie" Tocco, Jr.
Joe Tocco
Peter "Little Pete" Tocco, Jr. b.1948
Salvatore "Mops" Tocco
Joey Tringale
Sam Ventamillia
Joe Vicarri
Dominic "Fat Dom" Vivio b.1929
Phillip Zerilli
Members that flipped
Nove Tocco b.1947 flips in the 2000
Members that died since 2000
Carlo Bommarito
Sam Lucido
Paul Tocco
Vito Tocco
Danny Triglia
Lentine-Salvatore Sammy Soup
Tringale-Dominic Lefty
Vacari-Dominic
Bartolotta-Mateo Mike Bartello
Cimini-Anthony Tony Long
Corrado-Anthony The Bull
DiAngelo-Michael
Galici-James
Giacalone-Anthony Tony Jack
Giacalone-Vito Billy Jack
Gianosa-Jack Jackie G
Giordano-Salvatore Sammy G
Maniaci-Peter Milwaukee Pete
Meli-Vincent Little Vince
Meli-Vincent Big Vince
Morelli-Ronald Hollywood
Tocco-Anthony Tony T
Tocco-Giacomo Black Jack
Tocco-Paul
Triglia-Daniel
Versaci-Frank Chinky
Zerilli-Anthony Tony Z
4 capos and 41 made men That list is one of many that Scott Burnstein has posted on the forums over the years. With all due respect to Scott, from around 2006 to the present, his charts have ranged from around 30 to almost 60 members. Also, his own book Motor City Mafia cited 25 members back in 2006. Now, Scott has mentioned rumors of there being a couple ceremonies in recent years. And he's also said some members may have not been previously identified. But even if all that is true, it still wouldn't be nearly enough to balance out the members who have died, let alone increase the family's size. When the FBI had the family at 30 members nearly 15 years ago, how likely is it that they've gone up to 40+? Especially with so many members dying off. Also, where's the discernible activity of a family this size? Why do we see more activity in areas with families of comparable size - New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia - but not in Detroit? If people want to believe Detroit has 30, 40, or more members in 2015 go ahead but the available evidence just doesn't support it.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
[Re: IvyLeague]
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07/15/15 02:56 PM
07/15/15 02:56 PM
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SonnyBlackstein
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Also, where's the discernible activity of a family this size? Why do we see more activity in areas with families of comparable size - New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia - but not in Detroit? This is the crux of the argument right here. The choice is you either believe NJ, NE, Philly and the D are generally the same size with Detroit being some sort of super-mafioso capable of beating the Fed at their own game, yet not a few internet posters on a forum board who 'know' OR Detroit arent the same size and dont have 40 odd members. Thats the choice you have to make.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack.
CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Five Families Current Involvement with Smaller Families
[Re: M_Martino]
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07/16/15 11:43 AM
07/16/15 11:43 AM
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naples,italy
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Of course, the truth can always be somewhere in between. You're right Ted. Ivy Detroit as you know as the 80 % of population are blacks, so the recruitment pool decreases greatly and the family would be defunct years ago, what saved it was the fact that many members being related to each other by blood, no internal feuds in the 80s such in other families and only one member who has flipped: Neve Tocco in 2000. So it's more likely to be 20 to 30 made men with some of them that are in the list even if they are very old and so it's assumed to be retired and maybe some are jailed,I'll take a look on inmate locator.
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