[quote=Spadine]Stroc i have to agree about the.jewish lighting. I know you are well aware of things to make this comment.The jews pretty much have a very strong say & presence in scrapping in cleve. even to a point to say if & who can open up. Wether they are backed bycleve guys- i dont know- but i can for sure say they didn't allow some to open & had a few closed .Carmine also dissed some friends of cleve guys & they were very unhappy.& who knows , he may have been asked for $$ to operate or expand & they could have had heat put on him . There is so much more w/ this story- drugs , all the horses he had round the country - he had a stable out @ thistledown w/ a bunch of horses. There's a bunch of people sweating for sure !




I am Gona go on a limb and say Mike pappada and his wife Both pictured in the mug lineup were the horse fixers . pappada is a trainer .

So the police probably bugged him for the scrap and stumble onto the race fixing ?








I am Gona go on a limb and say Mike pappada and his wife Both pictured in the mug lineup were the horse fixers . pappada is a trainer .

So the police probably bugged him for the scrap and stumble onto the race fixing ?

Why was he arrested by someone from the NYPD task force when this was in cleveland and a cleveland matter?

The dude a pretty big dude. Looks wide snuff they had to use 2 sets of cuffs. Hay if the guys a earner why let him go. Like they say your in it for life. The gottis are gone but maybe the new guys are thinking he's still Inducted and I'm sure that still makes him untouchable around the country so they a want a cutt. 500 bucks a month or something.

He probaly was also banned from the scrap thing In NYC. There was a big genovese kicked out of the fish market so he came up to new Bedford mass and started something wonder if he's still alive. Gotta be old.

and that can easily be why it happened. guy pisses off the wrong person. the wrong person tells the jake. happens more than people think.

Someone make a new chart with Agnello as Boss of Cleveland

He's no boss of cleveland ! He was here bcuz he left NY. He opened & operated lucrative businesses. Whether he was kicking back & to who- i dont know. I dont know if he was close or in good standing w/ salerno, but thats who cleveland tied to NY (the danny greene)situation/ j white asked fat tony for help.
Who knows ? He could have been sent here to get things going- w/ cleveland or a NY family

He was arrested by CPD - not FBI or nypd .just fyi . Im not being cocky just telling it as is .FBI tried for two yrs. & blank . CPD task Alone got him year & half.

Actually you obviously did NOT read the article.

The picture and the first thing there shows and says this...

Carmine Agnello is led away by Detective Lynn McCarthy (right) of the NYPD Organized Crime Division on Wednesday in Cleveland, Ohio.

You are absolutely correct / w some twists also. Carmine brought pappada here from PA to train for him.alot of horses were getting sick & shit- so cameras were set up.&it was clearly stated that mike & julie would train for him only. The other trainer was suspended & they had jockeys traing.Carmine had horses here he ran & in chicago & presque isle & who knows where else !but yeah horses were getting doped.

I was curious as to why the NYPD would have anything to do with affairs in Ohio anyway??

The Gotti name association. The Feds know that Carmine got chased. So does the State of New York, for that matter. But someone's obviously trying to make a name for himself at the State's Attorney's Office. And he'll be quick to imply the possibility of Carmine still having some clout within the Gambino Family, which is absolute hogwash. In short, it's politics as usual.

Does anyone know if Carmine had any blood relatives into the mob or just through marriage to Gotti?

Good ? Blackjack wtf would NYpd task force be doing there even if hes kicking back to ny thats interstate should be FBI jurisdiction you'd think

Agnello is a capo in the Cleveland faction of the Gambino's.

Exactly what Tommy said. It was also reported that Agnello's going to break off from the Gambino's and start a family of his own. His rapper son is being groomed to be the future boss, since he's street smart. Otherwise he wouldn't be a rapper.

I think its because Agnello was calling friends in NY and the phone taps picked up conversations related to scrap metal yards in NYC; nothing to do with mob stuff. Thats why NY law enforcement were involved but mostly because Ohio requested help just in case it was an LCN case which it was not.
Carmine living in Ohio had much more to do with his hot looking wife wanting to stay there than him being chased. Also, while in prison, he was fed up with all the Gotti family bull shit. Staying in Ohio was an easy decision for him p,us he wanted to be far from Victoria.

Correct, Carmine and three guys from Liverpool were given permission to start their own family. Unbelievably enough, Carmine is the cute one. You know, like McCartney.

As far as his son, when you grow up on the mean streets of Oyster Bay it really hardens you because your choices in life are so limited. It's tragic.


All true. But don't kid yourself, he didn't have much choice in the matter. Even after Pete went away and the Gottis lost the power for good, it was the new administration who told him that there was nothing left for him in New York. One of the Sicilians, in particular, can't stand him.

Even still... wouldn't Carmine have to get his "operation" signed off by somebody high up in Cleveland? And would this possibly get back on whoever gave the go ahead?

No clue, Mark. You know me much better than that. I don't speculate about areas that I know nothing about.

Friend of Henry, Strococs, JCB, Spadine, et al. These are the guys who know that town. The rest is just speculation, FBI files, and press reports. And you know how much use I have for that stuff most of the time.

Understood, pb. And I hear you about the feds work of fiction and drama.

It will be interesting to see the ripple effects of this bust and see how far it reaches.

You gotta think somebody involved is going to start chirping for the right deal - as in most of these cases. I know I shouldn't speculate but it sure gets you thinking...

Thanx PB but I'm really not a Cleveland guy. Other than the fellows from Mahoning and Trumbull Counties, I knew no one from Cleveland. My experience was always with Pittsburgh people.

Now that one of our best resources has disappeared, we'll have to rely on Strococs and/or Spadine to chime in.

Yeah but did you hear any rumblings of heavy hitters with the Gotti/Agnello blood being shipped in from NY??



Personaly, if I had owed a debt and this crew came after me I would pay up ASAP

By who exactly, the family isn't even viable.

Yes, I could see that...FBI would make more sense in that regard.

But of course the headline credit for the arrest was given from the ugly "bitch face" from the NYPD Organized crime task force

I would be pissed if I was the Cleveland police chief...

Well I would be pissed if I lived in Cleveland period...

At least were not Detroit. How's that Johnny football pick working out. Not so goooood.

People in Cleveland were well aware of his presence. But who Who would be that stupid to go into A scam with A high profile Gambino member? People want Low key operations stay way under the radar. Nobody wants A high profile guy. ITs 2015!! Also Permission from who? Cleveland is A open city for the most part. There may be A few things left but nobody is running the city like that.


Carmines bigger problem would be the quasi legitimate scrap yards complaining about him . Hey could this simply be A local ghetto car theif got busted and turned him in ?
Cleveland PD is really going to pump this up . Look at the bad press they had lately. They need the good headlines.

If im the boss in NY I'm not letting a made guy on the shelf or not make a killing in another city with the help of the gambino name and everyone in Cleveland knowing he was or is part the family. I'd want a lil taste. Heard he was bout to go to war with bone thugs over the east 1999 turf.

Rap In 1995. Crazy year way. Before all this domestic terrorism which is getting way out of hand. What happens to the bloods and crips.

My personal opinion is that, as long as the word didn't get back to Cefalu that Agnello is directly using the Gambinos to get ahead, he(Cefalu) didn't want any ties to Agnello and that he didn't really give a fuck what Agnello is doing with his life.