My guess is he doesnt get out at his expected release date there will be new charges stemming from him running the family and they will nail him with a lengthy sentence, maybe life if he was involved in the meldish murder

Cheech, no I am from California.

Wouldn't be the first time that the Feds resorted to such a tactic, that's for sure. And it wouldn't even have to be Meldish. They can recall any of the rats from ten years ago any time they want. The Feds are without conscience when it comes to restarting the clock on crimes where the statutes have clearly expired. There are documented instances of RICO dates restarting from scratch for things as innocent as a phone number showing up on a pen register.

Even though that's a dishonest tactic, if I can just put in my two cents, Mancuso is one of those individuals who deserve it (if what I read about him is true). I am not saying that no mafioso deserves a second chance, some do, but the scumbag killed his wife over a petty argument. Gangster or no gangster, that's one low-life thing.

In response to this, I don't believe so. I mean technically guys like Rocco Sollecito and Arcadi and Del Balso & Giordano ARE Bonannos. But they don't recognize the Bonanno banner period. They're a part of The Rizzuto Crime Family before anything else. Montagna was the last. And the Rizzuto/Bonanno relationship is pretty much history.

agree with this completely

vknicks where are you from? ur posts are on point brother

How many rapists have the LCN inducted into their families?

@Sinatraclub:correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't acardi kicking up to the bonannos before he went away? So it will be smart for the bonannos to back his bid to become boss, it willbe back to business as usual

No he wasn't. Arcadi wasn't kicking up to anyone, let alone NY. Before Vito went to prison he severed ALL ties with the Bonannos and built his family as an independent one.

Not to mention the very small, minor detail that there's no way in Hell that the other American families would allow them to have a Canadian boss. Every crime becomes International, Interpol gets involved, and it attracts heat to people who don't need the aggravation. Besides, the Rizzuto/Bonanno relationship was over BEFORE Vito died. No one shed a tear in New York when Montagna got an early Thanksgiving present, which speaks volumes. Talk about a sacrificial lamb (which is ironically an Easter dinner ).

They can pick up the pieces if they keep doing what they're doing: Look to the old timers for leadership, and keep the lion's share of the activity out of the Bronx (where they were always a distant fourth to begin with).

A lot more then you'd think imo. Sonny Franzese had a rape charge, so did Furnari, Mimi just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Spot on, PB. Like I said before, The Bonanno/Rizzuto relationship had been dissolved before Vito even went to prison. And Vito himself was pretty adament about driving that home to the rest of his guys during his time on the street before Massino ratted him out, after the Sciascia murder. And it wasn't just Vito, none of his top guys, including Arcadi, trusted a Bonanno after that and Vitale lying to them about what had happened.

Vitale said the rizzutto crew was kicking up right until 2006

I still say Vitale and Massino were full of shit too, no way Vito was kicking up to him as far as 06. Arcadi wasn't kicking up either and he'll end up dead before he ends up being boss, you can just about bet on that. Most of the action against the Rizzuto's can be tied to his ways of running the family when Vito was in America. I still say the Sollecito's are in control (either Dad or Son) and I think Vito drove that home in the Cuba or Dominican meeting and everyone is behind them. Yes I think Arcadi makes a power play and yes I think he ends up dead unless he comes out and retires, that might save his life.

And you have to remember who had what to gain by saying the Rizzuto's kicked up to Vitale. This should answer itself.

how would he know? He flipped in 03.

100% with Dixie.

No way Vito was kicking up post Massino rolling.

No. Way.

Think Dixie is referring to that blowhard Cicale.

And Vitale was blowing smoke out of his ass with that claim.

I also agree that Arcadi would be dead before becoming boss in Montreal. As Dixie said, a lot of the Rizzuto trouble can be tied into Arcadi's decision making as boss. For example, Vito promoted amicable relationships with the black street gangs for the sake of business and profit. Arcadi simply wanted nothing to do with them and had an old world, bigoted view of things, which only created more enemies. His handling of the Pony Tail De Vito situation, De Vito simply wanted his piece of the pie after coming home from all those years in prison, Arcadi told him to fuck himself and then had his boss murdered.

Arcadi himself lost trust in the organization for basically paving the way for the buddy-buddy relationships that some of Vitos men developed with the 'Ndrangheta, himself being a Calabrian. However, Arcadi still has his loyalists, he'll make some noise, but he'll be ruffling too many feathers with that bid.

I don't think Vitale said 2006 did he, He said until he flipped? Which is probably right.

But it isn't. We know this from guys like Adrian Humphreys and Antonio Nicaso. Vito severed ties with the Bonannos after the Sciascia murder. During meetings with Vitals, Vito would leave an empty seat next to his, which would be where Sciascia would've sat. After a couple of those in which Vitale did nothing but lie, Vito stopped answering to NY Bonannos all together. And his time spent on the street before he was indicted in the US was mostly spent enforcing that split and building his family up as an independent one. Vito stopped answering to Massino long before Massino flipped. So much so, that in the "Sixth Family", Vitale is also quoted as saying such, stating that it worried Massino. Without Vito's say, the Bonannos held no power in Canada. And Im sure Vito knew that at that point, Massino wasn't sending anyone to Canada to intimidate him. He would've been shipped back to NY in a box.

Journalists, is it really fact?

Its more than likely so, considering the money, the territory, and Vito beginning his ventures in the DR prior to his arrest. All of which the Bonannos had no piece of. You can also look at the funerals, prior to Vito's incarceration, there were no Bonanno presence at the funerals of Rizzuto soldiers such as Guy Panepinto, which took place merely months after the Sciascia hit. And vice versa with NY.

Maybe the funeral presence was a one off for Sciascia, as he came up in New York? I mean I know fuck all about Canada, but just find it odd how a journo would know intricate details about sit downs like bit about leaving a seat empty for Sciascia, makes fro good reading in books but just sounds a bit suspect as nobody rats over there, maybe it's just me.

When was this, exactly?

I would take an informants word over a canadian journalist, or any journalist on matters such as these

Really?

You'd take Casso's word over Capeci's?

Edit: I also find it interesting how you specify canadian journalist. As if a canadian journalist wouldnt be the authority on Canadian OC (as opposed to say who? A US one?).

Fox news thankfully still hasnt made its way north either.
Nor has the NY Post or other such rags.

I have to clarify, De Vito was on the run for the same scheme, he didn't serve time until he was caught, my mistake. But during this time, De Vito blamed the Rizzuto clan for the seizure of the cocaine by the RCMP, Gervasi was killed in '04, after his own money dispute with Arcadi. After this, De Vito himself and his ally Colapelle stopped kicking up to the Rizzutos. All of this is stated in Business And Blood. And Arcadi is just looked upon by some Rizzuto loyalists as unloyal and incapable of steering the ship.

@TommyGambino, No one rats publicly. But I'm sure just like in NY and Chicago, there are confidential informants. And guys who feel comfortable saying certain things to a well known Organized Crime reporter as long as he isn't named. Bottom line is, everything points to Vito no longer answering to the Bonannos after Sciascia was killed. And Sciascia wasn't a one off, there was no Bonanno presence at the funerals of Nick Jr and Nicolo.

And I really don't see how Humphreys & Nicaso's claims should be looked at as meritless, as opposed to Salvatore Vitale, when both Nicaso & Humphreys are two of the best and most knowledgeable experts of Canadian OC.

Seeing that they, and Capeci get most of their info from the FBI, who get their most valuable info from informants...well yeah

Funny how you picked two extreme examples to compare though...Casso and Capeci (the foremost expert on the mafia), well at least he used to be...and the most disgraced rat...who couldnt even succeed at ratting cuz he was such an idiot.

Well, since some of us clearly disvalue the words of two renowned Canadian OC reporters, lets follow the word of the rat Vitale...



- As of the meeting in Montreal with the Bonanno admin consisting of Vitale, the underboss and Anthony Urso, Massino's consigliere and the Rizzutos, Sciascias murder had alienated Massino from The "Sixth Family", physically and emotionally, because with both LoPresti & Sciascia dead, there were no Montreal emissaries based in NY for Massino to go to.

- Massino sent them up there with the hopes of naming Vito, the new Captain of the Montreal faction. Vitale, claims that Vito scoffed at this idea and suggested to him that his 77-year old father, be named captain, something the NY guys didn't want, something Vito was well aware of.

- The author notes that the indifference Vitale and Urso received from Vito, seemed to mark the severing of ties between Montreal and NY. This was in 2001.

- Vitale really had no idea what Montreal was up to, and as an extension, neither did Massino. Vitale claims a captain, is supposed to have up to 10 soldiers in his crew, with as few as 3. Going by that, Vito was clearly offended with this Capo offer, when he commanded twice as many "made" Bonanno members in Canada and perhaps even more Sicilian Mafioso, who had strictly Rizzuto ties, no Bonanno ones. Vito told Vitale that with Sciascias death, 19 made men stood with him. A number that only included those who were made in America, and excluded the guys Vito and his father brought over and inducted themselves.

- Vitale having to ask, how many made men stood with Vito, also supports the fact of the Rizzutos independence. For had they had actually been subordinate to NY, then surely those names would've been known to Massino beforehand. They weren't.

- And here's the nail in the coffin to this Rizzuto kicking up until Massino flipped argument. "I think the last time I was in their presence when they brought money down was approximately '98,'99" Vitale said of the Montreal gangsters." He goes on to say that Montreal MAY have continued to tribute, but that he had no evidence of it and thus could not be sure.

An RCMP report also supports this, in which it states, "After the murder of Sciascia, the envelopes stopped coming from Canada."

Vitale was explicitly told by Vito, "We're our own little family, there's about 18, 20 of us and we stay by ourselves and everybody respects everybody else." Vitale got the message, because when he got back to NY, he told Massino, "They have their own little splinter group".


All of what I just stated, comes directly, more or less word for word from the Sixth Family book. Vito wasn't kicking up to NY anymore after Sciascias murder.