cook is basing his statements off a couple blog posts that talk about DeLaurentis and a "Lake County Crew." There's really been nothing to a suggest a new crew - like the 4 ones mentioned by the feds during "Family Secrets" - has just appeared out of thin air. DeLaurentis was always active in that area, even before he went to prison. But he's likely part of the same crew he's always been. The confusion probably comes down to semantics. A "crew" of guys (Carpelli, Dziuban, Orlando, Iozzo, etc.), who allegedly worked for DeLaurentis, were busted but it's not like we're talking about a new, formally established crew within the Outfit structure like we would the Elmwood Park Crew or the Melrose Park Crew. It would be more accurate to say these guys were associates of the crew DeLaurentis is a member of.



Well, there not "my" figures. They come from the FBI. Though I agree that looking at the 28 members cited back in 2007 alone isn't the best way to judge the Outfit.

Also, I'm not sure if you're referring to the "Family Secrets" case, which actually came down in 2005, but there's been other cases since them. For example, you had the Sarno case in 2009, Rudy Fratto busted in 2009 and 2010, the Carpelli bust in 2013, and the Koroluk/Panozzo bust in 2014.

cook is basing his statements off a couple blog posts that talk about DeLaurentis and a "Lake County Crew." There's really been nothing to a suggest a new crew - like the 4 ones mentioned by the feds during "Family Secrets" - has just appeared out of thin air. DeLaurentis was always active in that area, even before he went to prison. But he's likely part of the same crew he's always been. The confusion probably comes down to semantics. A "crew" of guys (Carpelli, Dziuban, Orlando, Iozzo, etc.), who allegedly worked for DeLaurentis, were busted but it's not like we're talking about a new, formally established crew within the Outfit structure like we would the Elmwood Park Crew or the Melrose Park Crew. It would be more accurate to say these guys were associates of the crew DeLaurentis is a member of.



Well, there not "my" figures. They come from the FBI. Though I agree that looking at the 28 members cited back in 2007 alone isn't the best way to judge the Outfit.

Also, I'm not sure if you're referring to the "Family Secrets" case, which actually came down in 2005, but there's been other cases since them. For example, you had the Sarno case in 2009, Rudy Fratto busted in 2009 and 2010, the Carpelli bust in 2013, and the Koroluk/Panozzo bust in 2014.

My one thing is on Detroit. I read that it has had compared to many other places in the u.s a high influx of Sicilian immigrants in recent times. Could this add anything to the lcn element there ? Or are they to close knit to let in new people. For example the recent restaurant owner attack case. The victim and mafioso were both originally from sicily.

LMFAO. I almost went with spuds instead of potatoes. I swear to God .

Ivy, very informative break down. Question for you: Aside from the numerical state of the family, how does the Philly family actually fair? I've seen so many posts about how they are a joke etc.... and it seems they have been plagued by 'bad' bosses i.e. Scarfo, Merlino. So what is really the deal with Philly? Legitimate, or not?

There is also that Mandell case involving the plot to kill Anthony Quaranta. The Panozzo case was suprising to me. Knocking over Cartel stash houses is ballsy. Those two cases changed my preception about the present day Outfit. They appear more active than I had originally thought. I'd say they are on par with NE and Philly in terms of men and slightly more influential.

Where did any of the indictments or journalist writings say that they were knowingly hitting cartel stash houses?

The Panozzo arrests seem more steeped in garden variety home invasions.