It's what I just said,The decavalcantes must share the territory with the genovese and lucchese jersey factions that had more soldiers and power; plus two gambinos crew and a crew for the others families.

Philly must answer to NY,because all families out the big apple must answer to the 5 families,but Philly has the same soldier of the decav and was more free and powerful,and from the last 5 years more stand up guys went out and fill the rank and Ligambi rebuilt the family after 20 y of blood and chaos.

The patriarcas still strike fear but are only 30 made men between Boston and Providence

The Outfit had at least 28 made men was pretty active nad was focus on the white collar crimes with an alliance with the Outlaw mc for the street racket

The Detroit Partnership was the most stable and closed family out NY for me it's very charming both because a family whose territory consists only 20 percent of whites should have been dead, but they don't, through the use marriage between members and making new members only between those who are blood related.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=852335#Post852335

In this threat I made this charts of decavalcante,philly,detroit and patriarcas.

That St Louis chart is complete nonsense. Anyone who thinks that family still has 20+ members is out to lunch. More like 2 or 3 at this point.

The only Mafia left in Saint Louis is Anheuser-Busch. They own the fucking breweries and they STILL charge $8.00 for a tall boy in a plastic cup at Cardinals games. And this was five or six years ago when I was out there for a Mets game. God only knows what they charge now .

imagine a civil war reenactment club

now replace the civil war with the mafia

that's today's detroit

The only Mafia left in Saint Louis is Anheuser-Busch. They own the fucking breweries and they STILL charge $8.00 for a tall boy in a plastic cup at Cardinals games. And this was five or six years ago when I was out there for a Mets game. God only knows what they charge now .

I can't stand the city of St. Louis. Although they do have a great ballpark and "The Hill" is one of the best areas for Italian food I've ever been to.

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The only Mafia left in Saint Louis is Anheuser-Busch. They own the fucking breweries and they STILL charge $8.00 for a tall boy in a plastic cup at Cardinals games. And this was five or six years ago when I was out there for a Mets game. God only knows what they charge now .

Agreed about the ballpark and the Hill, but I love my hometown. I have broken your balls about the Cubs before, but I am not going to this time. The new owners are building a very solid team, doing great things for the organization and I see the Cubs in the playoffs this year, and for years to come. It is about time Cub fans have something solid to get behind.

Furio at it again

Lol, and Ivy always responds, like a robot. He can't help himself.

Mulberry you really think Chi has fewer than 20 made guys? Im not questioning facts as reported but I just cant believe that historicLly powerful, well connected fam in one of the most corrupt cities if not the mostt in America only has 20 or less straightened out guys when I believe w Solly D they have their admin on the streets? But I also dont believe Detroit has the low number of made guys out there that others have reported..and thats not to discount more knowledgeable posters its just.in these corrup cities where lcn is not a major LE issue and they have full admins,on the street and multiple active crews that they dont have more than 20-30 guys that just doesnt add up im sure theres still some willing italian candidates in these areas..but just my 2 cents

At the risk of repeat, I am not a troll or a Ivy alias, I am a person of flesh and bones.

That St Louis chart is complete nonsense. Anyone who thinks that family still has 20+ members is out to lunch. More like 2 or 3 at this point.

Detroit would be dead last on that list and that's if one even chose to include them at all. The next bottom one would be the DeCavalcantes. When I get more time I could break down the reasons for this and where New England, Philadelphia, and Chicago fit in.

For me

Philly (was rebuilted under Ligambi)

Decavalcante (although it must suffer the competition of five families and philly)

Outfit

Detroit (20-30 made men are enought in a city were the white are the 20 % of the population)

Patriarca

Detroit - People often insist on calling the Detroit family "stable," as if little or no news means as much. Actually, it's more the opposite. The Detroit family is unstable because of attrition. 30 members estimated by the feds back in 2001. Around 20 members/possible members have died since that time. Do the math. Little else besides bookmaking at this point. As such, I wouldn't even include it on a list of families outside NY at this point. In my opinion, there are only really 9 viable families left - the 5 NY families and the ones below.


New Jersey - Latest estimates put them at 40-50 members with a relatively low number of associates - about 50 according to the 2004 NJ OC report. They would be at the bottom of my list simply because for decades they operated within a rather narrow nich - the Laborers Union and construction industry in New Jersey. Their "cash cow" (LIUNA Local 394) was put under oversight almost a decade ago, though only time will tell how successful it is. But with their decreased clout in the union and construction, the family is left grabbing what it can while operating among the bigger NY family crews also active in the state. The relative lack of significant cases since the massive busts in the late 1990's/early 2000's says more about the state of the family than the recent bust.


New England - Recent estimates put the family at 40-50 members and around 100 associates. You have at least a couple dozen in Boston. Another dozen in Providence. A few in Connecticut. I'm not sure why some are so quick to write this family off or put it at the bottom. It's been as active as any outside NY in recent years. It's main involvement in gambling in the forms of bookmaking and video poker. It's had the most involvement in drugs of any family outside NY, though all non-NY families are small players in the drug trade at this point. Extortion of independent bookies and strip clubs. They've still had some involvement in the Laborers Union.


Philadelphia - Recent estimates put it at 40-50 members and around 100 associates. The family is basically a street operation at this point, i.e. bookmaking, video poker, peripheral involvement in drugs, theft, etc. Not really anything as far as labor racketeering to speak of. As far as that goes, that would be reason enough to actually put New England ahead of Philadelphia. But what Philly has going for it is the surprisingly large number of young prospective guys it can replenish it's ranks with. And that will help stave off general attrition.


Chicago - Recent estimates put the family at 25-30 members and a little over 100 associates. That basically puts the Outfit as the same size as New England or Philadelphia, just with the member-to-associate ratio being a little different. It's involvement in gambling is the same - bookmaking and video poker. Very little involvement in drugs and only on the periphery. What one could argue still puts it at the top of the list of families outside NY is it's residual involvement in the Teamsters Union, interests in legitimate businesses like trucking companies, involvement in the trade show industry, etc.

Cook thats interesting I didnt know that about Solly d which is who I assume you're talking about..so he still has a crew as boss thats pretty unique but im sure another more informed poster like ivy can shed light on past occurrences...cook do u have more on this crew? Turf members etc.

Mulberry- good point about Chi having a lot of powerful non Italian associates totally forgot about that point and historically with that fam has alwYs had Lota powerful associates. My point is that even if yours and ivys numbers are correct( and I think low but jusf a guess) to compare them to phi or NE just bc of alleged member count isnt completely fair..I mean their last big hit from LE was fam secrets in what 07? They have always been very connected to unions and corrupt officials..my admitted limited mob insight always thought outside of NY they were and are most powerful..with how corrupt IL is and their quiet under the radar nature theyre sti quite powerful..again just my humbling limited fact based.opinion