And NEITHER of them have been the same since the day it happened.

In Patsy's case, you never get over the loss of a child.

And in Tore's case, he didn't realize he was just a pawn. By the time it escalated the way it did, which had to seem like five minutes to him, it was too late.

Tore learned a valuable lesson there, and it's one of the main reasons he asked for the change of scenery. That, and to give his own son a better life (I'm sure you know the story there). It opened his eyes to family, not "The Family." No comparison .