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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/07/15 12:02 PM
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Oscarthedago
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Pittsburgh has been officially dead since October 31st, 2006 when Mike Genovese died. The family is no more, just remnants. Plenty of illegal gambling still going on, as it will always go on. Many of the fellas making book are former associates or high ranking associates.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Neo]
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07/08/15 05:46 AM
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There is no Pittsburgh family, they are gone, dead and buried.
There were about 5 made guys and 10 connected guys as of 2011.
Fast forward to 2015 and as a family, they are no more.
Neo...don't rely on Wikipedia for your info...as much I as do know about Pittsburgh LCN, I can't tell you exactly the # of made guys left, but as far as connected guys go...there are hundreds, not 10. There is still a hierarchical structure that "controls" rackets and territorial disputes...there has been a lot written on this site in this regard and most of it based on very old (> than 15 year old FBI files)...I'm not a researcher, just been close to the game for years...just my two cents.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: oldschool3]
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07/08/15 06:00 AM
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Neo
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There is no Pittsburgh family, they are gone, dead and buried.
There were about 5 made guys and 10 connected guys as of 2011.
Fast forward to 2015 and as a family, they are no more.
Neo...don't rely on Wikipedia for your info...as much I as do know about Pittsburgh LCN, I can't tell you exactly the # of made guys left, but as far as connected guys go...there are hundreds, not 10. There is still a hierarchical structure that "controls" rackets and territorial disputes...there has been a lot written on this site in this regard and most of it based on very old (> than 15 year old FBI files)...I'm not a researcher, just been close to the game for years...just my two cents. That didn't come from Wikipedia, and I highly doubt there are... OR EVER WAS...hundreds of connected guys with the Pittsburgh Family. Just my two cents.
Last edited by Neo; 07/08/15 06:03 AM.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Neo]
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07/08/15 08:11 AM
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Oscarthedago
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There is no Pittsburgh family, they are gone, dead and buried.
There were about 5 made guys and 10 connected guys as of 2011.
Fast forward to 2015 and as a family, they are no more.
Neo...don't rely on Wikipedia for your info...as much I as do know about Pittsburgh LCN, I can't tell you exactly the # of made guys left, but as far as connected guys go...there are hundreds, not 10. There is still a hierarchical structure that "controls" rackets and territorial disputes...there has been a lot written on this site in this regard and most of it based on very old (> than 15 year old FBI files)...I'm not a researcher, just been close to the game for years...just my two cents. That didn't come from Wikipedia, and I highly doubt there are... OR EVER WAS...hundreds of connected guys with the Pittsburgh Family. Just my two cents. Oldschool, you are conversing with a sick yahoo who attacks elderly women. Don't entertain Punjab.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: domwoods74]
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07/30/15 07:03 AM
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oldschool3
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Just a quick question , why did strollo never admit to killing Joey Naples wen he flipped?? Good question Dom...to my knowledge, he continues to deny ordering the hit. I have heard that he even has gone so far as to blame the Gambinos, as Naples did have some sort of ongoing dispute with them. However, all clues point toward Strollo. The hard thing to understand in that regard is that he would have had to obviously gotten permission from Mike Genovese for the hit, and its pretty widely accepted that Strollo was not on Genovese' Christmas card list. In fact, Genovese distrusted Strollo so much that he sent Henry Zatolla (as only a soldier) to Y-town to watch over Strollo (a capo).
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/30/15 09:38 AM
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Lenny did NOT order the hit on Joey. In fact Lenny knew nothing about it until the next day. A more or less "independent" did it to gain favor with Lenny. Go figure, he was a US Marine trained sniper.
BTW: Zebo's last name is spelled Zottola. Yes, Henry was sent to keep an I on Lenny but at that time he was more than "only a Soldier". At that time Michael only spoke with Zebo and Chuckie Porter. Call them what you will, but they were at the top of the food chain under Michael.
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/30/15 09:59 AM
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Friend_of_Henry
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For whatever it's worth to you: No one order the hit - period! The reason I stated was exactly why it happened - pal.
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Friend_of_Henry]
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07/30/15 04:56 PM
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strococs
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For whatever it's worth to you: No one order the hit - period! The reason I stated was exactly why it happened - pal. They should of whacked the sniper assuming Lenny Or Pittsburgh knew who acted as the lone wolf.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/30/15 05:06 PM
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Friend_of_Henry
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How 'bout if the Feds arrested him? They know who but No Cigar!
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Friend_of_Henry]
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07/30/15 08:48 PM
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oldschool3
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Lenny did NOT order the hit on Joey. In fact Lenny knew nothing about it until the next day. A more or less "independent" did it to gain favor with Lenny. Go figure, he was a US Marine trained sniper.
BTW: Zebo's last name is spelled Zottola. Yes, Henry was sent to keep an I on Lenny but at that time he was more than "only a Soldier". At that time Michael only spoke with Zebo and Chuckie Porter. Call them what you will, but they were at the top of the food chain under Michael. There you have it...I was hoping you would chime in Henry....Henry, did you hear about the beef Naples had with the Gambinos, or was that all b.s?
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/30/15 09:25 PM
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Friend_of_Henry
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Not to say it was BS, but I never heard of it. As you know if I really don't know, I don't say it is or it isn't.
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Friend_of_Henry]
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07/31/15 02:16 AM
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strococs
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How 'bout if the Feds arrested him? They know who but No Cigar! Fuck the Feds there to busy chasing the next bin laden , what's the point the guy already has life if I recall correctly
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: strococs]
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07/31/15 10:08 AM
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Friend_of_Henry
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Depending of which guy as both the shooter and the boss that was convicted of another murder are still alive and living well and out of the can.
You're absolutely correct: "Fuck the Feds"!
Last edited by Friend_of_Henry; 07/31/15 10:29 AM.
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Oscarthedago]
#859903
09/13/15 10:43 AM
09/13/15 10:43 AM
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Also wondering which Genovese guys visiting that lodge in PIttsburgh The hunting camp was in Tionesta, PA. I know for a fact that Squints, Chin and Tony have been there. Yes - Tionesta. You should see the pics on the wall of that place. Pretty impressive
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Oscarthedago]
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09/13/15 10:55 AM
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Hey guys first post.
I would like to preface this with I could be completely wrong, on both matters, but I figured I would ask.
But two questions: what is the status of the Pitt family? I've heard maybe a dozen wise guys and even less associates, any truth to this? Seems like it would be a solid place to make money as its big but not too big and has enough violent crime to actually take some of the heat away from like a shy business or some other small rackets. Anyone got anything on them?
Also, I read somewhere, can't find it now that years ago some LCN guys would 'escape' to the small mountains in WV? I could imagine, my parents lived there a while, and most of the police force was pretty easy going and would let almost anything slide. Also, I ran into a decent amount of pretty legitimate trattorias owned by other Italians from elsewhere, doesn't exactly mean they are connected by any means, but who knows. The Pittsburgh family was still operating until 2006. The last three made members standing are Thomas "Sonny" Ciancutti, Charles "Chucky Porter (defected) and Lenine "Lenny" Strollo (defected). Sonny Ciancutti's last bust was in 2000 and Frank "Sonny" Amato Jr and John Bazzano Jr were still operating until their deaths in 2003 and 2008. Pittsburgh had an unusually large number of associates, some who were respected as much as the made members. The Wheeling, WV faction died in 1990 after the conviction of Paul "No Legs" Hankish, the longtime boss of Wheeling. Hankish reported to Chucky Porter, the Pittsburgh Underboss from 1987-1991. The place that many of the Pittsburgh wiseguys went to was a hunting camp in Tionesta, PA called Charlie's Roost and owned by longtime Pittsburgh Underboss Joseph "Jo Jo" Pecora. Many of the Bufalino Family, Philadelphia family and Genovese Family in NYC would meet with the Pittsburgh contingent up there to discuss business. Mike Genovese, Charlie Imburgia and Jo Jo Pecora would hold court after hunting, fishing and shooting high powered firearms for fun. I never read anything about the Pittsburgh guys going to the mountains of WV, I'm not saying you are wrong but I just never came across that in my 12+ years researching this family. Yes this is very true. The Pgh guys would go there (sometimes with kids and wives too). Many of these guys are still around. They're old, but they're still respected.
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