Where did both of these guys grow up? Im talking their teenage years/ high school?
I know Barney became involved because of his father,mhow did Crea get involved?

Good question.

I'd also be interested if anyone has any back story (cough cough PB *cheesy grin )

pb will know much more than me but I think barney went to mon. scanlon hs. he was a hustler on the move back then. he got mentored by sally kos dad in the drug biz. took him and ralphie off the street to more high end deals. he used to drive sammy black. tony and chin saw his potential and groomed him for the spot he holds today. he used to hold court in a deli, I forget which street, pb knows what i mean for sure. back when he used to sell. he is probably 80-90% legit these days. property and heavy equipment rentals. he has a bunch of guys all around him who own construction companies, restaurants, jewelry stores... he owns a big building off west side highway. he must be worth 20 mil thru his family.

"Cant do it, Sally."

Not this time. And I just couldn't resist the cheesy "Godfather" reference (Tom to Tessio) .

Let's just say that my pal Skinny's post is about 65 to 75 percent accurate, which is a huge fucking compliment on a board like this. Barney did go to Scanlon, then did a year at McAllister mortuary school, where, believe it or not, he showed a genuine interest. It certainly wasn't to learn how to dismantle a fucking corpse. But then came the pull of the streets.

Just one minor correction to my boy Skin. Sammy Black was MUCH more instrumental in Barney's rise than anyone else. Barney wasn't just his driver, he was like another son to him. He's still like a brother to Sammy's son.

Sammy was the future. If he didn't drop dead so young he'd be boss today with Barney in the two spot. No doubt in my mind. That was the plan if anything ever happened to Vince, and it had Vince's stamp of approval. But you know the old saying, you make plans and God laughs.

And Ralphie was never much of a street kid. Not really. He was loyal, a great earner, and capable. But not a street kid in the truest sense.

The deli and all that other stuff I can't get into. But as far as LEGITIMATE holdings, he owns everything from construction companies to apartment complexes to a strip mall in a VERY pricey part of Florida. Very big on real estate. Put it this way, he knows as much about real estate as Stevie knows about construction. And that analogy speaks volumes. He's ninety percent legitimate since his wife passed, closing in on 100 percent.

Forget the ghost stories and the mugshot that makes him look like Count Chocula. This is a VERY bright guy that we're talking about here. I mean, were talking about. I'm out now, unless I see something ridiculously stupid written about the man.

Cheers mate. You're a treasure.

Any back story you can share with Crea?

Thanks PB but please give background info on Crea .. Where did he grow up? Who was he under, how did he start out? If its public knowledge of course..we would appreciate it.
Without this knowledge, the board becomes stagnant and relies soley on books and assumptions. Lets not let that happen. this is why posters such as yourself and a few others are so valuable.

I've posted about Stevie ad nauseam over the years, as any longtime member here can attest to, and I don't care to post about him right now for personal reasons.

Unfortunately, we have a troll/stalker here who is absolutely Hell bent on making my life miserable even though he KNOWS that my almost 86-year-old father has been ill for some time now. He has a fascination with Stevie, and I'm just not willing to post about him right now. But if you use the search function, you'll find many posts that I've made about his entire "career," including where he grew up.

Thank you in advance for understanding, and welcome to the board. Oops, I just looked at your avatar, and it seems that you've been here for over two years. But I also noticed that you only have 128 posts, so that was an easy mistake for me to make. But welcome to the board anyway .

Good.to see.you posting again. Next time you are up top let me know and we can go to the place I emailed you about

You have a PM, Cheech.

My 2 pennies. These two guys have alot of indictments on them in the past. PS lotta reading. That guy cefulo he's a dope guy but super low key as the boss of a family for awhile. He did get indicted for kickbacks from a NASCAR track on Staten island that never happens I think. One place I no they do that is new Hampshire I hate car racing and I take a Honda accord over any American car same price read same price.

Anyway.

PB can you send me your pmac translator please.

Mine just broke.

You can borrow mine, Sonny...

There's no NASCAR in the northeast except from my fox sports shity chaneel up new Hampshire. Decoded. At least not new England I forgot Stewart ran some kid over upstate NY. But rizzutto was dead.

/me chuckles at Mark.

We love ya pmac, just breaking your balls a little

Absolutely, good natured fun and all.

Pmac's a good kid. The end .

what in the hell is going on????

will do cheech... I'm on a friends house on the west coast just smoked some while watching the sunset on the beach. its legal here fuck it haha

It's the first time I've ever heard of Sammy Black. Reading up there isn't much about him on the internet. Seemed pretty young to die, late 40's? How did that happen?

Sorry for the questions, it's just interesting when you become aware of a big player like that who you've never heard of before.

old gangland on Barney
http://www.nysun.com/new-york/barneys-bravado-gives-the-feds-fits/53741/

Thanks Cheech, good stuff. Back when Gangland was actually worth reading.

He was in his early fifties, not that it's much of a distinction from his late forties. Natural causes. He was sick for a while, but I'm going to leave it at that for the sake of his family.

Was barneys father a big time guy? Sounds like it from the article.

Mathematics has never been a strong point of mine. Completely understandable PB. Thanks.

Strong enough, but he never made skipper. He was just exceptionally close to Fat Tony and Buckaloo.

My pleasure, Jimmy. You always comport yourself like a gentleman here, and it hasn't gone unnoticed by us longtime members .

Thanks like I said. I been reading Capecis stuff for a long time going back to early 90s late 80s. PB has as well and some others and some of us believe he isn't even writing a lot of the stuff anymore. If you notice you read a lot of "it's been reported by Gangland" or "the source told Gangland". Almost as if it's a collective thing. Hey. He must be up there in age and let's be honest unless you want to talk about the same things ad nausea like some other young "journalists" do then there isn't much to discuss. Even the writing isn't as good. And I am an avid reader. Obsessive. Mob books are just a small part of what I read. I have over 2000 comics and 300 books. Literally can't buy anything for a while as nowhere to put. I love to consume knowledge. I am just as comfortable talking about Aldous Huxley and his effect on modern society or psychological control of the mind. I didn't even know there was a such thing as a mafia forum til I googled a friends name that got into trouble and stumbled on here thru Dappers old site. I won't get into the person I googled but I talked about when I first signed up. It was way over blown and I don't want to bring it back up. Funny reading I found so much stuff that wasn't true. FBI and indictments don't always get everything right.

Rambling. Sorry.

Incredible intellectual. It's almost inconceivable to me that he's remembered by more people for dying on the same day as JFK than for his literary achievements. But then again, most people are fucking idiots. C.S. Lewis also died the same day.