Thankyou King, you are right, I got Tore confused with Nicky Whip!

He's definitely living in Florida right now, was googling his name and saw his address on whitepages probably has restrictions like you say. Previous addresses are in Margate and S Philly.

No problem, Tommy. So much different drama with Philly that it's hard to keep up with all of it! I thought you were thinking of Nicky Whip, but I was also questioning if maybe Tory had been shelved and I was remembering it wrong.




You are right on Ligambi being up in age. I was talking about Scafidi when I mentioned the parole restrictions, though. I don't think anyone knows what the exact situation is with Uncle Joe. Some say he's retired from day to day activity, and others say he may be "semi-retired". My personal opinion is that he probably has stepped back a little bit, hoping to live the rest of his years out in peace after dodging convictions in both of his trials. But that's just me speculating.

Not for nothing I was told that Nicky Whip is here in A.C. moving and shaking .
I don't know if that's the summer or year round.
But it was not a move on the best of terms. The guy that told me did not tell me not to say anything so !

Scott says he's under Punge in Philly.

OK thanks Tommy that's a possibility why I was told he is here .But I was told he was not getting along to well. But in that life that's a everyday thing .

Ahe has the connections down here his family has been doing business down here for 75 years and there is only a few guys really down here after October so they would be smart to set up.
Not just that but there is no more task force or under covers around here AC has a hard time getting a SWAT team together these days. Ventnor and Margate well they don't need one if they could afford it .

So the eyes that used to be here are not here cos the state will not pay for that any longer ,they already got there hands on AC money so that's gone now.But none of them are doing life they stole a bundle and all retired.

AC almost seems as though its regressing back to the way it was back in the mid 70's just before gambling was permitted. Those shore communities are good for gambling amd shylocking since a lot of those living are blue collar types.

That's just it ,it's so tight when uncle Joe came here in the early 80's Yogi and Chuckie talked him up like he was going to have a book like none other . Well he was back in Philly in just over a year.

Nick thought it was a good idea to have someone that close to his UB that the money would flow up easy NOT .
The people here trust the people here ,same books are the same since and if they pass you deal with the guy under him that was there for years also.

Now don't think that it's a small in population cos it is far from that .
Since the 70's people from the city has buying or building in and around the city ,lots and lots of bizz .

I mean look at the west side ,if nothing was going on in Jersey would they have 5-8 crews ?

Lance and Staino are doing great, and the other two crews up north .
Who knows who else is up north Jersey for Philly cos the two crews up there are pacifist's and gambling crews.

I am pretty sure with all the chiefs in Philly someone is heading North Jersey a crew with a little muscle . Just a guess we will see.

Serp,handsome,PHL, mighty,spmob king,nicolas sure I'm forgetting a few, want to thank youse all for solid.info and opinions. Every discussion on SP/SJ crew is.informative and interesting because of what you all bring. Nice to learn from guys who are more informed on a subject I have always had interest in. Thanks again.

@mchang - absolutely buddy good to have another knowledgable poster like yourself in the mix as well...

Thanks guys but I anm just a guy that was born on Georgia ave.
But you other guys knowing about all the families and the past to boot ,now thats something...

As many times as I have been on Georgia, I have probably seen your house. I took a friend from the south to AC onetime. First time he had been out of his home town and for some reason he was obsessed with seeing scarfos place and getting a hooker. We saw Scarfo's, did some gambling, walked around, hit outlets and to his disappointment, no hooker for him. Have a lot of drinks at Ceasars then end up walking on MLK. As we pass a little cut and see two hookers crotched down pissing on street. I said to my buddy there's two freshing up for ya now. He abandoned idea after that.

@mchang93 if you were walking on MLK you probably walked right past Ocean Therapy and didnt even know it lol. Ocean Therapy is a hooker joint and its open 24/7 there have to be 5 or 6 more just like it all around the city. Serp I am sure you know where I am talking about.. Serp I grew up on Texas Ave. but I am much younger than you, from what I can gather (I will be turning 33 soon). I miss the old days buddy. I still own a bar/restaurant in Chelsea, you being a local I am sure you have probably been in and we have seen each other and don't even know it! lol thats the funny part about this site..I have been a reader for probably 4-5 years now even though this is my first post..

Wow I am glad to hear there is sill a bar there ,when I was coming up we had a bar four to each block. Then as you went south to the boards the were bars with entertainment and much more.

As far as hookers ,in the 60's 70's and part of 80's you would get pushed off Pacific ave by hookers it was that packed.And if you are shopping at the walk you missed it by 30 years . MLK ave it wll get you shot now days and dont go there about color" cos they shoot all colors there now. And yes about all the places to get a hand job. Not my style if I have a friend that wants a girl I take him right to Borgata.

A bar and restaurant in Chelsea thats not hard to guess there may be two . And that breaks my hart cos AC was a mini West Side just everything you could possibly want.

You did not give the name of it ,do you not want me to say it ? And yes AC is very small but I have not walked the streets in 30 years. I drive through to go to the Nuggett or Borgata or to Brig antine I have a few friends that invested with me in property back in 70's when you could get a house and a double lot on the beach block for 35,000 and boy did we get lucky.

And Texas ave was my back yard and so was Florida and Mississippi the other way.We stayed on the street back then ,there was no stay in ,only if you were in trouble. And yes 33 you missed it by a long shot .I think JP and Billy and Carmen were the only ones left in DuckTown when you were coming up ,do u know who I am talking about ?

I know I missed the fun you guys had thats for sure. Of course, as I am sure you know, we had our own fun lol what a place to grow up right I wouldnt have had it any other way..and you are exactly right about being on the street all the time it was still like that when I was growing up but if you were in trouble forget it mom had me inside in a hot minute. And boy were you lucky beach block property for 35k my god your rolling in it. Airing out my bar/restaurant will give my identity away, but to let you in on it the place closed after Sandy so me and some partners bought out the old owner and re-opened it in early 2013, and since then it has become quite a popular spot thank god..even back to my day though Serp I miss, it was just so much nicer of a place..now like you said up and down MLK and back Maryland and really most of Uptown is just a complete shit hole and it is sad, really taking away from the city. Also I only go to borgata and trop when I go out, sometimes if friends are going to Haven in the nugget I will go but thats rare, sometimes I will hit The Deck there also, or Landshark or one of the beach bars casually, but like I said mainly Borg and Trop..I was going to say to @mchang93 if he is anywhere around my age, which from what I gather he is, Trop, Borgata, Golden Nugget they are more the places to go for nightlife.

Your spot over the bridge or in city ? SK Jon ? you have me stumped. But thats easy when u get my age...

Chelsea..West End..

YES

Do you know what we did there back in the day when Teddy had it and Deaker had the kitchen OMG Phil was there twice a week .it was killer to sneak out there loved it .

Trust me I have heard PLENTY of times over on how it used to be a Scarfo hang out and how Scarfo or Phil had hidden interest in it..my lawyer tells me stories about the place constantly, my lawyer grew up in Margate I think but he said he used to run around with some of those guys..but I have never got any inside stories about what they did outta the place so whatever you can share would be great

Hahahaha I was looking for place I had been before for him may have been it.The problem was when I was there before I was trashed and then on this occasion being trashed on MLK with a country boy at 3am my short drunken attention span was focusing on not being mugged or shot, couldn't fully focus on task at hand. I wanted my buddy to enjoy what city life offered, but his mind was set on Mayberry and made me feel like a mark. i didnt drink again rest of time we were there because this kid had street smarts of a tractor. This was about eight years ago. MLK has gotten worse almost everytime I come back it seems Serp.

Chang it gets worse every day . And they keep building these like condos for the people that get checks , bad thing is they are not old or disabled , they are fourth generation check people. They build these halfway decent brand-new houses for them , but they make pretend they're building them to sell them , and when only one sells the other 30 go to check people . The next time you see them there wrecking them 10 years later cos they just trash everything. And that would be all right if they wanted to make a city full of them but the other people that own single-family homes pay close to $10-$15,000 a year taxes for a tiny lot with a house .

Hey there,
I'm new to the forum but I've been reading about the Philly Mob for over 5 years now and find it to be a pretty fascinating subject.

I was wanting to ask a question relating to Tore Scafidi in regards to a story that I read from the book "The Last Mouthpiece" by Philly mob lawyer Bobby Simone. One of the chapters in the book involves a murder trial where Bobby Simone served as Tore Scafidi's lawyer.

The murder occurred in the early 80's during the Riccobene War. According to Bobby Simone, there was a physical altercation at a nightclub between two groups of aspiring wise guys- one of the groups consisted of sons and nephews of men belonging to made men loyal to the Scarfo faction while the other group consisted of young men that had fathers and relatives belonging to the Riccobene faction. I guess there was a brief scuffle between the two groups that was broken up but later on that night, a young man belonging to the Riccobene group was gunned down right outside his home. The young man's mother apparently saw the murder and later identified Tore Scafidi as the shooter.

Anyways, Scafidi was eventually found innocent after Simone grilled the murder victim's mother on the witness stand and got her twisted up in a bunch of inconsistencies that made the jury doubt her testimony. Pretty brutal to do that to a mother who just lost her son but I guess he was just doing his job.

What really interested me was that after Scafidi was found innocent, Simone said that the courthouse lobby became jam packed with onlookers that included a large number of men that belonged to the Riccobene faction who were apparently acting belligerent and menacing after the verdict came in. As I recall, Simone said that the cops brought in backup to defuse the situation as it was looking extremely dangerous.

I had never read anything about this event before even though I've read quite a lot about Philly. What really surprised me was that it made the Riccobene faction seem a lot larger in prominent in Philly than I had originally thought. My original impression was that the Riccobene crew was relatively small and not nearly as influential as the Scarfo faction but this kind of made me doubt that. I know Riccobene was active in narcotic's trafficking and I have also read somewhere that Stevie Vento Sr was someone that worked closely with him. I surmised that Riccobene's manpower probably relied more on drug peddlers that actual made members within the Bruno Crime Family.

I know there are some Philly guys on here and I was wondering if anyone could kind of fill me in on what they know about this story involving Tore Scafidi and also tell me a little bit more about the Riccobene faction as far as where he drew his manpower and working relationships with drug dealers like Vento.

Thanks

Wayback: I cannot help you because the Riccobene guys did not hang in my neighborhood a few would hit down beach but that’s it. And of course they were always at odds with anything to do with Nick even when they were equal.

I was in Atlantic City today walking around and in Ducktown fucken amazing I felt like Vincent in the Deuce last episode at the end in my mid 60s and most of my guys dead or in the joint or gone .

But I guess I lived it .

Serp lived through the '70s by the skin of his nuts when the Philadelphia crime family were goin' at it.

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Was not talking about them ... talking about the city’s collapse of its neighborhoods but you are a funny guy.

But one thing is right we did not have any keyboards to hide behind .

I wasn't being a smartass, Serp. I just had to get that Sopranos reference in somehow. There was no malintent.

There were a few lesser known stories from the Riccobenne conflict. One involed some Riccobenne guys having the jump on Skinny when he was real young and Faffy comes in with a gun and gets Skinny out unscathed. Now they are saying Faffy is in a top spot. Say what u want about Skinny but he doesn't forget those who helped him or those who did him wrong either.

Interesting. Thanks for the reply. I had never heard that story about Merlino before. It's stories like that that I actually really enjoy to be honest. Just kind of smaller
forgotten stories that seem to be collecting dust but really make the history of South Philly feel all the more immersive. Faffy seems like another really interesting
character. Phil Leonetti said in his book that he was in Vietnam. That's probably one reason way Faffy seemed a cut above the rest in terms of his ability to kill and
act as an enforcer for the family.

I was really surprised when I read this chapter about Tore Scafidi in Bobby Simone's book as I had never heard anything about it beforehand. My opinion on the matter is that Tore Scafidi probably did it. The reason I came to that conclusion is from what I read about Tore in Caramandi's book "Blood and Honor". Caramandi recounted a story where Scafidi got into a bar brawl with some middle aged neighborhood tough guy and actually stabbed him with a near fatal wound. Seems to me that he must have been pretty prone to acts of extreme violence.


So did Riccobene have a lot of influence and people backing him up in the war? Did common South Philly folks tend to support Scarfo or Riccobene more than the other?

Yea idk if that was same incident happened in Lidos with Tore and Skinny or not but they were in an incident together where someone was stabbed