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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
[Re: LuanKuci]
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America is just unique, who cares if Italian-Americans call themselves Italian? right. it sure is. Wrong. And annoying. The southern Australian cities of Melbourne and Adelaide have HUGE Italian expat populations. As does Toronto and Montreal in Canada. ALL these places are EXACTLY the same in their respective Italian communities regards keeping their Italian traditions alive whilst merging with their new 'Western' culture. Italian Americans forget that when the great immigrations of the late 19th and 20th century were underway immigrants had a choice of the U.S., Canada or Australia.. The only thing 'unique' about Italian Americans is that like most other Americans who've never traveled further than a tank of gas, they think of themselves as being so. So before we all break out into chants of 'USA! USA! USA!' Remember there's a world out there which exists outside of the states.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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I can almost see your point, Sonny. But the Italian-American community is just so unique that it almost can't be explained. Outsiders would call us pseudo-Italians. But Americans of Italian descent have created a subculture within an actual culture.
Now, at times, the differences between the subculture and the original culture can be extreme. But at other times, when people actually pour their hearts and souls into keeping their parents and grandparents customs alive, it can be both touching and beautiful. Christmas Eve is a good example.
Just like anything else, it depends on the individual. If you try too hard, you may come off as a cafone. But when the tradition is handed down properly, you'll come of as worldly.
Italian-Americans are the most unique of the hyphenated Americans. I don't know any other way to put it. Oh, I'd also like to add that I'm not sure how much gas it took, but I've been to more than a dozen countries.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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But the Italian-American community is just so unique that it almost can't be explained. Couldn't disagree more. Expat Italian communities around the world are amazing in their commonality. Not their indervidualism. Italian Americans included. I've lived in Adelaide, Melbourne and Toronto and their respective Italian communities whilst differing in perhaps in who's momma makes the best sauce and an accent, the commonalities between the communities is startling. Italians the world over are culturally if not by birth, Italians.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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Addition: To give a perfect example this clip by Canadian comedian Gerry Dee could've been written about Italian Americans, Italian Canadians or Italian Australians. To a teehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv3fkcCrn6k
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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But the Italian-American community is just so unique that it almost can't be explained. Couldn't disagree more. And that's your right, Sonny. That's what message boards are for: to debate in a civilized fashion. Not to come online in a bad mood and pick fights because you had a bad day at the office. And I should hope you don't think I'm talking about you, as our friendship extends way beyond this board. And I can't say that about too many guys here because of all of the recent drama and nonsense. But my friends (for instance, the guys who have my email address) know who they are.
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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This is the most recent in a long line of Gotti threads so I will just leave this here. John Gotti:
Perhaps the most dangerous enemy Garrett made was an audience member at his Atlantic City gig for Sinatra. He noticed some people weren’t even paying attention to his jokes:
“There was a couple so drunk in the front row that they got up and started slow-dancing during my act as the guy sang “The Lady Is a Tramp” to his date. That’s something that stays with you forever. The guy was in a top hat and tails, holding a cane and wearing dark shades. I called him “Mr. Peanut.” His lady had a scary perm that shot out in all directions. “Next time,” I told her, “tease your hair. Don’t piss it off.” The folks around them were not laughing, but the rest of the audience and the orchestra behind the curtain howled.”
Garrett got an explanation after the show: “Turns out ‘Mr. Peanut’ was John Gotti. Apparently, I have nine lives.”
http://time.com/3840352/brad-garrett-memoir/
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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Not Italian or Italian American but I used to work at an Italian deli and they used to tell me I was the boss of this... Very common joke in Italian-American foodservice. Never gets old, either  .
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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IMO - Speaking "fluent Italian" is very subjective... especially today. There are so many original dialects from the regions of Italy, Sicily & Sardinia that were then brought over here with our immigrant ancestors. We all have the language/memories we were raised around and exposed to, now top that off with following factors: 1. First, second and third generation Americans of Italian descent - all having their own dialect and interpretation. 2. Various geographical locations here in the US of Italian immigrants who settled and established mini regions of dialect and phrases. Not my intent to agree or disagree with any of the previous posts and I get it that there are some obvious common pronunciation and key phrases. Throughout the years, some things could be added or subtracted, etc. I just found it very interesting that you can say the same thing in Rome, Naples, Palermo and Sardinia but have several things so different from each region's dialect. Not to mention Brooklyn... we all know they have their own language altogether! 
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
[Re: LuanKuci]
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09/08/15 12:23 AM
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wait, sonny doesn't get why toronto is indeed more similar to melbourne that to philly or nyc?
damn
prejudice blinds more effectively than muzzle flash Said the guy who's never been to either. But you keep flying that 'I'm special/we're different' flag and yell down anyone else who knows different with 'prejudice' 
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
[Re: salvi62]
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09/08/15 06:06 PM
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Anyone know if the chin spoke Italian?
Also did any of the guys on the commission case speak Italian?
Big Paul, fat Tony, Tom mix, the snake, Tony ducks, did they speak Italian
British is best....
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Re: Could Gotti speak fluent Italian?
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09/08/15 11:49 PM
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Gigante's mother either couldn't speak English, or spoke it badly, so I would be surprised if he wasn't conversational in Italian. Good observation, Lurker. Here's how I've always seen it: If your parents were born on the other side, you must be able to understand them. Now, how you actually speak Italian is a different story. When I was growing up and a kid's Mother screamed something out the window for them, it was always in Italian. But when the kid replied, it was almost always in English. Now, you remove them another generation or two, and that's how the language gets lost completely in most families.
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