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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Thanks a lot. Exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for, the Gemini was actually on my list but the other ones were not. Venieros pastry, thats a good one thanks. So no tour of black Harlem? I heard when your people get here you really love to visit black neighborhoods am I wrong about that? Ehm, well I sure choose a tour through Harlem rather than hanging out with the likes of you down at some banjo-festival in Alabama or whatever you like to do on your sparetime. Thanks everyone else for really good stuff. Appreciate it!
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Benny here my daughter the communist got two awards one from the Swedish and Germany consultes in college.
She spent three months in Sweden in a villa there. She was supposed to study Swedish language and culture. She gets there they all speak English. They don't want to speak Swedish with an American just English. In a villa next to her they have a big party she is invited. Some team wins the Stanley cup in 2011. One of the skaters on the team is from Sweden. Each player can take the Stanley cup with them to their home country for a period of the time. The Swedish player took his to that villa party. You know what he did to it? He pissed in it. I think they think their shit don't stink.
They like going to the worst places here to prove their better then everyone here. I know they like to visit bad areas here to prove it to them selves. Not that I really give a sh-t what you think of Sweden, but you got it all wrong and therefore I must correct you. Here are som facts about Sweden/Europe: 1. I speak lousy Italian and by lousy Im mean probably better than what any american girl whos been staying in Swedish for 3 months speaks Swedish. Still few Italians ever wants to continue the conversation in italian when I say "Una birra chiara media per favore" or whatever might come out of my mouth when Im in Italy. They hear Im not native and to speed things up they turn to English. Its exactly the same in Sweden. 2. Swedish youth (and by youth I mean under 40 y) is totally absored with american culture. Everyone follows the latest series from HBO and of course any new film Hollywood might have produced lately. Everyone wants to speak English. We've got 17 year old girls who spent 6 months in London as babysitters coming back talking with fake brittish accents. Others go to NYC and wind up as bloggers describing their lifes as something out of "Sex and the City" or "Gossip Girl". 3. (And this is about the part when the Swedish player apperently pissed in the NHL Trophy). We drink a lot in Sweden. You should come here in Midsummer, the whole country is wasted. If he pissed in the trophy its because he was wasted not becuause he wanted to make any kind of political statement. Now, stop trashing this thread. You wont get any more answerers from me so get lost.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Soooooo.......how is Venierios Pastry connected to the mob as far as being a place to go see?
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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@ Footreads Now, stop trashing this thread. You wont get any more answerers from me so get lost. Well said.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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casa bella on mulberry? that was blasts place Still is. The daughter holds all the permits. But the place is persona non grata to wiseguys today. If they were smart, they would have made their own restaurants and bars off limits forty years ago. Nothing but trouble, and when the first "civilian" gets slapped in the face the place is history. lol! PB, you are always on spot..
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Go to the orginal Umberto's location on Mulberry street where Joey Gallo was killed. The restuarant has moved to the other side of the street and they have a fake bullethole were they said was from shooting but its BS, so where he was reallty shot was the restuarant exactly opposite to it That's actually the third location. They were located further up Mulberry for quite awhile, on the northeast corner. The original, where Gallo was killed, is called Da Gennaro today. The food's decent, but it's still a tourist trap. Bobby I still runs the third incarnation of Umberto's down there. They took a shot on Arthur Avenue and crapped out after about five or six years. Oh, for the record. If you do go to Umberto's today, you're more likely to run into a gay couple with an adopted Chinese kid than you are of running into a made guy. That's as politically correct as I can put it.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Not trim to hijack thread but if mike sabella was leftys captain how did sonny black come to b so close to Donnie brasco? Sonny Black and Lefty were part of Sabellas crew. Black was promoted when Sabella either passed away or moved to Flordia can't remember which. Its mention in Donne Brasco book and one of Joe Massino books
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Pb, what's your opinion or take on the statement that Frank Sheeran did the job on crazy joe, if u don't mind me buttin' in..? it's the only part of his book that i find questionable. The writer of that book, Brandt, "found" that alleged "witness." Matty was already the heaviest Westsider on Mulberry at the time. Do you really believe an out of town Irishman was getting permission to hit Gallo in a joint he JUST opened? The Gallos actually had long term relationships with the Westside, even though the Westside was light in Brooklyn back then. Matty was one of the guys who pushed for Al Gallo's button. Unheard of, but he had the juice to pull it off. The survey says: No fucking way.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Not trim to hijack thread but if mike sabella was leftys captain how did sonny black come to b so close to Donnie brasco? Sonny Black and Lefty were part of Sabellas crew. Black was promoted when Sabella either passed away or moved to Flordia can't remember which. Its mention in Donne Brasco book and one of Joe Massino books Sabella was broken, then allowed to retire, then he died.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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I was thinking of Pine Street in Brownsville/Brooklyn, where Vario had the old cab stand as HQ. Is that neighborhood just as "gone" as the rest of the old italian strongholds?
Looking at Google Maps Streetview I guess it could be worth an afternoon stroll anyway.. The neighborhood is long 'gone'. Go visit if you're interested, but go in the daytime. It's not a nice area.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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That neighborhood is long 'gone'.
Go visit if you're interested, but go in the daytime. It's not a nice area. As gone as gone gets. And even if you go during the day, I'd strongly suggest carrying a sidearm of some kind.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Since I don't live in NYC I can't address how the neighborhoods are today, but here's some historical areas no one mentioned: 1. The homes Al Capone grew up in. He was born in Navy Street then moved to 69 Park Avenue, then three different places on Garfield, all in Brooklyn. 2. The area around the downtown Manhattan courthouse is where the Five Points Gang was. It's also not far from the World Trade Center. 3. There are three useful books for Mob-related tours of NYC (actually there are more, but these two are the easiest to obtain): http://www.amazon.com/Goodfellas-Guide-N...k+city+mob+tourhttp://www.amazon.com/Manhattan-Mafia-Gu...mafia+guidebookhttp://www.amazon.com/Gangland-New-York-...A4Q0EVWD68S828HThere's also an app: http://www.amazon.com/Mafia-Walking-Tour...k+city+mob+tour4. The first Mafia-related killing in NYC was near the Cooper Union building at 30 Cooper Square, near downtown. It was in 1888. 5. If you go to Little Italy, make sure to hit Elizabeth Street. That's where the early New York Mafia was situated (for the most part) 6. If you want see where the Bonannos started, it was in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn around 5th and Roebling, which is now mostly Hasidic Jewish and hipster. 7. The Morellos started out around 106th Street in Italian Harlem, but you probably don't want to go there.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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I have no idea if its connected or not, but Angelo's on Mulberry is my favorite spot. I get there once a month. May not be the best but my favorite. Get the mussels in white wine garlic, spedini, and scungili as an appetizer. Veal sorrentina and zuppa di pesce for entree. I always get broccoli rabe as a side, too. (I don't eat all of it, my finacee' and I share it, but I generally eat 3/4 of it HA!"
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Hi guys,
Going to NYC on vacation with my wife and would very much appreciate some nice advice on what to see, "mobhistory-wise". Guess I will spend most of my time in different womens clothing stores so I must have some fun to look forward to, beyond the usual tourist stuff.
I know, everything is gone and the neighborhoods is completely different now - but I still want to see some historical sites. When I was in Chicago I enjoyed staring out on the car parking lot that was once the site of Dean O'Banions old flowershop - you get the picture.
I will stay in Chelsea/Meatpacking so I guess The Chins old social club on Sullivan Street is on my list and of course Little Italy even if its a shadow of it former self nowadays. Whatmore? Is it even meaningful to go Bensonhurst, I understand it has completely changed character.
Thanks/The tourist Get yourself a book called "A Guide to Gangsters, Murderers and Weirdos of New York City's Lower East Side". That book tells all the juicy details, drops names and addresses. What you'll find is that the sites of many a famous shootout, hangout, hideout, clubhouse, or childhood home of many a gangster from the classical age of New York gangsters are still standing. Lucky Luciano's childhood home, Masseria's apartment building, the site where Lepke and another gunman took down Little Augie Orgen, and more, are all in there. Jack Diamond (aka Legs Diamond) was Little Augie's bodyguard and was wounded in the attack on Orgen. It's all there. When Little Augie (Jacob Orgen) was taken out, Lepke rose to dominate organized labor. These events may have shaped modern history to some extent or another.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Pb, what's your opinion or take on the statement that Frank Sheeran did the job on crazy joe, if u don't mind me buttin' in..? it's the only part of his book that i find questionable. The writer of that book, Brandt, "found" that alleged "witness." Matty was already the heaviest Westsider on Mulberry at the time. Do you really believe an out of town Irishman was getting permission to hit Gallo in a joint he JUST opened? The Gallos actually had long term relationships with the Westside, even though the Westside was light in Brooklyn back then. Matty was one of the guys who pushed for Al Gallo's button. Unheard of, but he had the juice to pull it off. The survey says: No fucking way. thank u, i agree.
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Re: "Must see" mob history sites in New York City
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Great info everyone, thanks a lot.
Alfa: I will def get that book. And one of those Faithful1 linked to. Speaking of Lepke, the building that once housed the old candystore that was once "HQ" av Murder Inc. is still standing, isnt it?
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